Originally posted by niduin
this is the only zero i can think of but are you talking about zero from mega man x? if it is zero takes it, i mean he is fast he can clib walls he is armored stonger than link and has energyblasts, but if its not that zero just let me know
^BS. Please, browse a few of the other Link vs threads to see why your statement is incorrect.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkNah, Niduin is right; Zero does outclass Link in physical stats, greatly in some areas. Also, he can use most of his techniques without draining his power and ammo. The same cannot be said of Link (limited number of bombs, arrows, limited magic meter).
^BS. Please, browse a few of the other Link vs threads to see why your statement is incorrect.
Zero also has a huge advantage in combat experience. He's been fighting war machines and developing his skills for over a century. Link, while skilled, is still a teenage boy.
I know Link. With standard equipment, his strength, speed, and durability is not on Zero's level. And I just provided a fraction of what Zero offers.
This is no slam against Link, but he's up against the android God of Destruction here. And how in the world are you going to argue skill in favor of Link? He's been fighting for a very short period of time. Zero has over a century of fighting under his belt.
And yet Link is capable of going toe to toe with someone else [Ganon] with centuries of fighting experience.
Link seems to be preternaturally skilled with any weapon he uses, in TP he gets the bow and can immediately hit a small pole, about an inch thick, with an arrow at a distance of about a uarter mile. I have a theory about why this is, but why isn't important.
Link's also got super human reflexes and god-like strength. <--Built in. TP Link wears no special items to attain these.
I would point out that Link never competes with Ganon with skill alone. He always has weapons, upgrades, and magic to help him. Could a standard Link stalemate Ganon with just his sword skills? I don't think so.
What strength feats does Link have that do not make use of his upgrades, such as the Power Bracelets, the Silver/Golden Gauntlets, or his boots?
We know that Mega Man has been shown to have vast super human strength. He has lifted a portion of Dr. Wily's fortress at the foundational level and has tossed three-story tall robots. And Zero has officially been stated to be stronger than Mega Man. With his strength alone (no special weapons), Zero has been shown to create earthquakes and shock-waves just by punching the ground. In his Maverick state, he was tearing through walls and heavily armored reploids with his bare hands.
Standard Equipment?
So, Link is armed with A Sword & Shield combination versus Zero who is equipped with the Z-saber & Z-buster?! Here's what I see: Link gets laid out on his back in five seconds flat and if he's lucky enough to not die. Maybe just maybe, he could get away playing the "Song of retreat" on his magical instrument and live to lose another day. 🙂
You haven't played Twilight Princess? Link in TP gets no magic meter, or strength enhancing gauntlets, sorry to say. The final battle is a one on one sword fight vs Ganondorf himself, during which Link even overpowers Ganon. TP Link is debatably as strong as OoT Link, or stronger, but I haven't done the math on him yet.
Anyway, TP Link has incredible skill, and strength, and reflexes.
Also, "standard equipment" doesn't say much, let's get him back in here to tell us exactly what that is for each character.
Sadly, I haven't been able to get far in TP due to lack of Wii/Cube. ;_;
Ugh, now I really don't like TP Link's chances against Zero, since he has virtually no magical abilities.
As for Link overpowering Ganondorf (humanoid version), that's impressive, but not as impressive as if he'd overpowered Ganon (monster version). Also coloring Link's victory against Ganondorf is the fact that the latter had already received a wound from the Master Sword (which was open at the time) and had been previously assaulted by Arrows of Light.
Don't get me wrong, the fact that Link could push back Ganondorf at all is very impressive, but I don't think it stands up as a strength feat when comparing it to the stuff Zero can do (punch through thick steel and cause quakes with a blow).
Actually, that wound was not from the master sword at all 😛
For TP Link to punch through thick steel actually wouldn't at all be unexpected, given that he can not only throw, but completely halt and reverse the momentum of a giant piece of living granite. I still have to math the forces involved, but I suspect it'd be sufficient to have Link casually tear I beams out of sky scrapers, it drive his fists through solid steel of any thickness. [After a certain point the thickness doesn't matter, only the reach of his arm.]
Standard Equipment would most likely be interpreted as the default tools that each character has. I see Z-Saber cutting through his shield and Sword like a hot knife trhough butter before eviscerating him and Even if we give him a Bow & Arrows for this fight. Z-Buster still trounces him and Zero's Z-Saber in some versions is a ranged weapon. So, even with the Z-Saber alone Zero could take this. At the end of the day Zero has Superior base weapons over Link.
The enchantments on the Master Sword have never granted it invulnerability to my knowledge. It can just "Purge evil" like any other vague magic plot device. The bottom line is Zero has an energy weapon which should cut through Links weapons like a hot knife through butter in a realistic context IMO. I don't see any other way we can realistically compare them.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI was speaking of the wound the Sages gave Ganondorf, which Link took advantage of to defeat him.
Actually, that wound was not from the master sword at all 😛
For TP Link to punch through thick steel actually wouldn't at all be unexpected, given that he can not only throw, but completely halt and reverse the momentum of a giant piece of living granite. I still have to math the forces involved, but I suspect it'd be sufficient to have Link casually tear I beams out of sky scrapers, it drive his fists through solid steel of any thickness. [After a certain point the thickness doesn't matter, only the reach of his arm.]
I don't know TP that well, but if by "giant piece of living granite" you're talking about the Gorons, then didn't the Iron Boots have something to do with Link being able to pass them (including defeating Gor Coron)?
I have to agree with Classic NES; its not to say that Link is weak, but he's not exactly up against a Moblin here.