If the sword were something that could be destroyed it would have been destroyed many many times. In a realistic setting an 'energy weapon' wouldn't function at all, let's be honest. It's not cutting through the master sword.
Iron Boots gave him the friction to resist their momentum, but eveything else was powered by his muscles, basicly he nailed his feet to the floor and caught a cannon ball. Same principle. And Link is one of the most under-estimated characters ever.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If the sword were something that could be destroyed it would have been destroyed many many times. In a realistic setting an 'energy weapon' wouldn't function at all, let's be honest. It's not cutting through the master sword.
First of all energy weapons do exsist, ever heard of a laser? Second of all, unless the story calls for it the sword will never break. It's the sameway that links wooden sheild can take blows from metal weapons it's a work of fiction. Sword fights in fiction are unrealistic, since smashing swords against each other in a reptitive fashion will cause them to break obviously. My two points are: 1] That IMO if we put it in a realistic context an energy Saber will cut through a Sword. 2]Master Sword is not magically indestructible. So, from that context from my POV IMO Link would lose.
Actually it is, there's a reason it never rusts, and can with stand attacks that disintegrate stone, and that it can sit exposed to the elements for centuries and remain as sharp as the day it was made, ect, ect.
This is one of the few things Nintendo has directly said, that the power of the blade protects it from damage. I'm well aware that gaming swordfights are beyond unrealistic, I'm a history buff and the forum's resident sword geek. Energy sabers to not exist, a laser is not an energy weapon, it's a beam of focused light.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually it is, there's a reason it never rusts, and can with stand attacks that disintegrate stone, and that it can sit exposed to the elements for centuries and remain as sharp as the day it was made, ect, ect.
Just like the Deku shield can take blows from lizardlos metal weapons or the Hylian shield can take unrealistic blows. How does that prove that they are intended to be magical despite not being stated as such and the fact that most weapons in fiction behave the same way?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is one of the few things Nintendo has directly said, that the power of the blade protects it from damage.
When did they state this, post proof please.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Energy sabers to not exist, a laser is not an energy weapon, it's a beam of focused light.
A beam of focused light which is categorised as an energy weapon. Also I never said that energy Saber exist, the point was not if it exsit or not. Your not reading what I'm saying cool.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Just like the Deku shield can take blows from lizardlos metal weapons or the Hylian shield can take unrealistic blows. How does that prove that they are intended to be magical despite not being stated and the fact that most weapons in fiction behave the same way?When did they state this, post proof please.
A beam of focused light which is categorised as an energy weapon. I never said that energy Saber exist, your not reading what I'm saying cool.
You're trying to group the sword which is a specific and unique case in with other simple gameplay oddities. The sword is a consistent element in the games and outside of gameplay undergoes stresses which would snap a sky scraper in half, to be conservative, with no damage.
I'll be back with more later.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong. Outside of gameplay the sword survives such things, the sheild can be burned and obviously doesn't survive the ravages of time.. By the way, wooden sheilds are suprisingly effective against steel weapons.
Does it survive those things outside of the plot as well? Because that's the context which I'm arguing from. I've stated it multiple times. I dunno how specific I have to be since your still missing the point and not looking at the bigger picture man? Other than the properties specifically stated to be intrinsically part of said weapons E.G. Evils susceptibility to the Master Sword. I will assume all the other properties are artistic license, since they are not stated by any sources I know. What is stated in red should be given "Miracle exempt" due to what is stated in blue.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're trying to group the sword which is a specific and unique case in with other simple gameplay oddities. The sword is a consistent element in the games and outside of gameplay undergoes stresses which would snap a sky scraper in half, to be conservative, with no damage.
No, I 'm not trying to do anything like that. Infact I stated what I'm trying to do, which is compare them in a given context. The above post and many others I've made are explanations of my methodology to support my opinion.
Originally posted by Classic NESI had to comment on this. Let me be the first to ask "..Wut?". Does the sword, specific to the plot of a specific set of games, survive such things outside that plot, and therefore those games? ...Wut?
Does it survive those things outside of the plot as well? Because that's the context which I'm arguing from.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I had to comment on this. Let me be the first to ask "..Wut?". Does the sword, specific to the plot of a specific set of games, survive such things outside that plot, and therefore those games? ...Wut?
Of course not, it was rhetorical man. Plot alone is a bias position because: 1] It's predetermined 2] It favors one fictional universe over the other. Debating solely with a universes respective plot isn't fair, obviously.
Seeing as the plot is all we have to glean accurate information from, it's only unfair when we say things like "this one is better because the plot says it's the best evar."
In the case of the sword, going by feats, it's atleast recockulously hard to damage, at all, period, to claim zero buster can cut through it simply because it cuts through other non magical substances is a little.. eh.. Well, doesn't make sense going by what we know of both weapons. By canon the sword has been exposed to castle busting force without so much as a scratch, this is not bias against another universe, just fact.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In the case of the sword, going by feats, it's atleast recockulously hard to damage, at all, period, to claim zero buster can cut through it simply because it cuts through other non magical substances is a little.. eh..
Magical is an ambiguous term which is open to interpretation, how does it prove that it's specifically resistant as you claim it is?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
By canon the sword has been exposed to castle busting force without so much as a scratch, this is not bias against another universe, just fact.
Your premise is buried in your conclusion which you repeat via Ad Naseum. Fact is I see it as artistic license, and I already explained why. Do you have any proof that the writer intended for it to be indestructible or is it just a consequence of his writing via artistic license?
All laser beams and such can be blocked by Link's shield (i.e. Beamos)
The Master Sword is indestructable. If it can block Ganondorf's magic, a puny laser sword is no problem. To even suggest such a thing is foolish.
Here's what will happen:
Zero moves in to attack>Link uses Mortal Draw>Zero dies instantly (the move is an instant kill by its nature, not just some fanboy "speedblitz" garbage)
The equipment needed for that move is his sword and that's it. I'd call that standard equipment.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkOkay, this is just ridiculous. The Hylian shield might be able to block Beamos, but that's beside the point, since Zero's standard weaponry does not utilize lasers, but highly focused plasma. Does Ganondorf employ plasma in his arsenal? And, dude, to call the Z-Saber puny is pretty ignorant, considering its history. That's rather like calling the Master Sword a mere butter knife.
All laser beams and such can be blocked by Link's shield (i.e. Beamos)
The Master Sword is indestructable. If it can block Ganondorf's magic, a puny laser sword is no problem. To even suggest such a thing is foolish.
As to Mortal Draw, this is a powerful technique, but not one that is a part of Link's standard arsenal. The Hero's Spirit teaches him how to use it.
Now, assuming that Link can somehow block both the Z-Buster, the Z-Saber, and Zero's mobility, how is he going to defend against Zero's Messenko or the Shin Messenko?
Okay, this is just ridiculous. The Hylian shield might be able to block Beamos, but that's beside the point, since Zero's standard weaponry does not utilize lasers, but highly focused plasma.Just so we're clear, plasma is essentially just fast moving air, IE, fire. It's effect is the same as a laser, really.
Does Ganondorf employ plasma in his arsenal? And, dude, to call the Z-Saber puny is pretty ignorant, considering its history. That's rather like calling the Master Sword a mere butter knife.
Now, assuming that Link can somehow block both the Z-Buster, the Z-Saber, and Zero's mobility, how is he going to defend against Zero's Messenko or the Shin Messenko?by deflecting, and defending, and swording. 😛
Originally posted by LLLLLinkthough i agree that the master sword is indistructable, that is an unfair statement to prove so, the sword perges evil so if it blocks ganondorf's magic its only because its evil magic.
All laser beams and such can be blocked by Link's shield (i.e. Beamos)
The Master Sword is indestructable. If it can block Ganondorf's magic, a puny laser sword is no problem. To even suggest such a thing is foolish.Here's what will happen:
Zero moves in to attack>Link uses Mortal Draw>Zero dies instantly (the move is an instant kill by its nature, not just some fanboy "speedblitz" garbage)The equipment needed for that move is his sword and that's it. I'd call that standard equipment.
mortal draw is a single shot kill agains guys in LoZ universe, so how can you say that it would kill zero, zero is vastly more powerful than anything in LoZverse. how could a normal sword get thru zeros armor? or even the master sword? the mastersword has the ability to repel evil and cannot be destroyed, but 1 zero is not evil and 2 zeros armor is thousands of years ahead of anything link has ever seen.
so if zero was just standing there letting link hit him over and over again he might chip it (cuz link is no weakling) but zero wont just stand there his speed and skill and strength would make it impossible for link to hit him/overpower him. im not going to say that this will be an instant kill, link will be able to deffend against a lot of the attacks though link will be struggling the whole fight and zero would simply be fighting him like a normal maveric and zero would kill him in the end
Seriously guys. You are pitting your "vastly superior to anything in the LoZ universe" Zero against a NAKED and ignorant Link and still havent shown anything to beat him yet.
Insinuations like, "Hylian shield cant block plasma" and "Mortal draw wont kill Zero" are statements to which no proof has been provided. Until some proof shows, Im considering the lasers blocked and Zero dead.
Heh, Link can manhandle Zero with his unnatural strength (Goron miniboss fight, anyone?).
As far as armor goes, Link breaks off enemy armor in his sleep (Darknut, Iron knuckle, Argorok, ect.)
Zero's armor is far beyond anything Link has ever seen, eh? How about the Magic Armor which is impervious to attack provided the wearer has rupees to feed the magic. Seems to be the other way around to me.
Actually, Zero's not 'vastly more powerful than anythign in the LoZ universe'. Ganon>Zero, in a very harsh way.
There's nothing to suggest the master sword just turns into a normal sword when used against something that's not evil. The only part of it's power that applies to evil is the repel/destroy function, so it won't insta-kill him, meh. It's still indestructable, and Link is still plenty strong enough to use it to great effect against Zero.
high-tech =/= superior. Something unbreakable swung with enough force at something breakable will break the breakable thing, sir =P
If Zero gets hit, it'll be very damaging and debilitating. What's his best durability feat? If I recall he takes damage from sources a lot less threatening than Link.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, Zero's not 'vastly more powerful than anythign in the LoZ universe'. Ganon>Zero, in a very harsh way.There's nothing to suggest the master sword just turns into a normal sword when used against something that's not evil. The only part of it's power that applies to evil is the repel/destroy function, so it won't insta-kill him, meh. It's still indestructable, and Link is still plenty strong enough to use it to great effect against Zero.
high-tech =/= superior. Something unbreakable swung with enough force at something breakable will break the breakable thing, sir =P
If Zero gets hit, it'll be very damaging and debilitating. What's his best durability feat? If I recall he takes damage from sources a lot less threatening than Link.
^Win.