Zero VS Link(twilight princes)

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Originally posted by Acrosurge
Back. Thanks for the offer, however I'd like to do the math myself. I welcome you to check my work, however. 🙂

So, why aren't you applying those same variables to Gorons? Gorons move and they have spaces inside (mouths, presumably stomachs or spaces for rupees to be digested)? Why have you been assuming that they are solid rock inside when you've put forth no proof that this is so? 😛

Screenshots and math coming.

This is why I take a chunk out of the goron's assumed density and don't add weight for his plate armour. 😛

P.S. I really wish they'd let me use OoT Link with his gauntlets, now THAT is power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is why I take a chunk out of the goron's assumed density and don't add weight for his plate armour. 😛

P.S. I really wish they'd let me use OoT Link with his gauntlets, now THAT is power.

I agree. OoT Link's strength with the gauntlets is literally nothing short of Herculean.

Okay! Thank you for your patience. We'll begin with a screenshot from the ending of Mega Man 5, in which Dr. Wily's fortress collapses on Mega Man and his creator Dr. Light. By discerning a low-end figure for this feat of Mega Man's strength, we can discern a low-end figure for Zero's strength.

Some might argue that this feat is Mega Man's and therefore irrelevant to Zero, who is a separate robot. This is not the case, since Zero has officially been stated to be superior to Mega Man in both physical strength and technology. For those that cling to the point, I will later post Zero's direct feats with the mathematical computations to back up his strength.

Now, onward!

We want to keep ScreamPaste happy, so we're going to be really conservative and only calculate the mass of the structure shown onscreen, even though Mega Man is lifting much more than that. We saw him pass much of this structure earlier in the stage. It extends at least two screen lengths to the left (or an additional 26.84 meters) and three screen length up (29.7 meters). Again, we're only going to calculate what is immediately visible on screen.

Mass = density x volume. We'll start with volume.

Mega Man's official height is 132 centimeters. His sprite is 24 pixels high. With this information, we can calculate the length and the height of the structure he is holding here. I've done this in the picture above. 1 pixel = 5.5 cm

We still need width. How wide is that structure? We don't know, but its pretty obvious that it is blocking Dr. Light's escape and is therefor at least the width of the floor. To keep it conservative (even ridiculously so), I'll use 1 meter (or 100 centimeters) as the width of the building.

Here's the equation for the volume of a rectangular prism:

V = L x W x H

After converting all figures to meters, we get:

V = 13.42 m x 1 m x 9.46 m = 126.95 cubic meters

Now we calculate the volume of the part of the structure hanging in front of Mega Man's face.

V = .71m x 1m x 4.18m = 2.96 cubic meters

We add this to our earlier figure to get the total volume for the portion visible on screen, which is 129.91 cubic meters.

Now, we need to know the density. This is a fortress and we know it is built of metal, but we do not know the exact composition. This being the case, I'm going to choose a very conservative average density of 2000 kg/m³ (significantly less dense than aluminum, which no one in their right might would use to structure a fortress).

Now we can work out the mass. The equation is as follows:

M = density x volume

M = 2000 kg/m³ x 129.91 m³ = 259820 kg

That translates to 259.82 metric tons or 286.39 tons.

So, the mass the structure Mega Man is lifting (including only the visible portion and not what is off-screen, which would drive the figure up by nearly a factor of 10) is no less than 259.82 metric tons or 286.39 tons. So, Mega Man is at least as strong as TP Link by my ridiculously conservative calculations.

Zero has been stated to be stronger than this.

All this means that Link will in no way overpower Zero. Just the opposite, really.

Impressive, I approve of your methodology. I will double check your math soon, but I have to leave skool right now.

I wish there were a way to quantify Ganon's strength, as TP Link sword locks with him. :[

zero has been stated to be stronger than this but has he ever done anything on this scale?

also megaman is only holding up part of the structure. they are clearly to separate objects.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
zero has been stated to be stronger than this but has he ever done anything on this scale?
Zero has created earthquakes and shockwaves strong enough to shatter armor by punching the ground. He's torn through armor with his bare hands and punched through 10 feet of solid metal (yes, many feet beyond the length of his arm). I'll be working on the strength/force necessary to accomplish this next.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
also megaman is only holding up part of the structure. they are clearly to separate objects.
If you look at the structure of that portion of the level, you will see that it comes down at once. Before:

After:

What seperation are you talking about?

difference between the height of the ground were mega stands and wiley lays and the height labeled 13 pixels.the part that megaman is holding reaches the ground before the other half. the second half would continue until it reached the bottom proving they are separate.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
difference between the height of the ground were mega stands and wiley lays and the height labeled 13 pixels.the part that megaman is holding reaches the ground before the other half. the second half would continue until it reached the bottom proving they are separate.
I'm not sure what your point is, since Rock is clearly holding up everything, separated or not.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
difference between the height of the ground were mega stands and wiley lays and the height labeled 13 pixels.the part that megaman is holding reaches the ground before the other half. the second half would continue until it reached the bottom proving they are separate.

*Wily.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
*Wily.
Is very quick. How's it going, Neo Darkhalen?

Any thoughts on this?

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Is very quick. How's it going, Neo Darkhalen?

Any thoughts on this?

Good thanks, and yourself?

While I'm no expert on the X and Zero series (my knowledge mainly extends to the classic series) knowing what I do know about the X/Zero games (which prove some amazing feats in itself) and reading your arguments I would have a hard time in believing Link could actually defeat Zero in a match...I believe this is a match in which Zero is not equipped with his Saber or any of his power ups from later games?

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Good thanks, and yourself?

While I'm no expert on the X and Zero series (my knowledge manly extends to the classic series) knowing what I do know about the X/Zero games (which prove some amazing feats in itself) and reading your arguments I would have a hard time in believing Link could actually defeat Zero in a match...I believe this is a match in which Zero is not equipped with his Saber or any of his power ups from later games?

Doing well, thanks.

The thread op said standard equipment for both participants. He did not define standard equipment, however. That being the case, I went with Zero's innate talents that he has demonstrated without the use of powerups. So, on top of his formidable strength, speed, reflexes, and durability, you have:

The Z-Saber
Z-Buster
Messenko
Shin Messenko
Heat Haze
Enkoukyaku
Soul Body

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Doing well, thanks.

The thread op said standard equipment for both participants. He did not define standard equipment, however. That being the case, I went with Zero's innate talents that he has demonstrated without the use of powerups. So, on top of his formidable strength, speed, reflexes, and durability, you have:

The Z-Saber
Z-Buster
Messenko
Shin Messenko
Heat Haze
Enkoukyaku
Soul Body

Link doesn't have a chance.

His sprite is 34 pixels, not 24, I'm working on my own math, in addition to yours, so that we can compare notes. I'm going to add in cieling and floor. I'm gonna basicly try and turn that into a functional building... WITH MATH!

Be back with results.

I cm = 0.257575757575757576P. We'll call this number "P" and math is as a simple 0.257, cause it's easier.

Section A; Area = 147x284p = 41748xP = 10729.236cm/100 = 107.29236M^2

Section A will have three walls. I'll be generous and say wall three, which we see the thin side of, is as long as the facing side of section A. Let's be realistic, walls need to be reasonable thick, so I'll call them half a metre each. Now let's give it floors and a cieling. .. These'll be the same as section A, just like the walls, and 50 CM thick, like the walls. In essence, I'm turning it into a cube with an open end. So, section A x 2.5M for the third dimension.

Section A = 268.2309M^3 Now that we have a size in metres, let's apply the weight of something that makes a worthwhile building material. Steel. 7850KG per meter cubed.

2105612.565 KG. is my VERY generous weight for section A, as steel is the heaviest building material possible, and let's face it, in Megaman's universe better alternatives clearly exist, and that looks nothing like steel, even 8bit steel. =P

This comes out as 957096.62 lbs or 478 tons as the maximum weight for section A. Impressive. o_O

Be back with MOAR math, and more red scribbles.

math with video games= EPIC FAIL.

Damnit, I did my math wrong and it's too late to edit. Lemme correct something.

2105612.565 KG. is my VERY generous weight for section A, as steel is the heaviest building material possible, and let's face it, in Megaman's universe better alternatives clearly exist, and that looks nothing like steel, even 8bit steel. =P

This comes out as 4782347.643 lbs or 2316.173 tons as the maximum weight for section A. Impressive. o_O

Section B's got a larger facing side, but it's floor and cieling will be the same size as section A's, because iut's a coherent building. Therefore, Section B will have two facing walls, and two Section A walls, as well as two open ends as Megaman had to travel through it.

So, A sides weigh 421122.513 KG. [at maximum.] Therefore.

2 walls are 842245.026 + 2 side B's.

Side B is 1.495 times the size of Side A. THEREFORE. Side B's weigh 62978.156 x 2 =125956.312 KG + 842245.056 = 968201.386 KG OR 2130043 lbs. 1065.021 tons.

Total weight = 3381.194 tons. [as the maximum possible weight, mind you.]

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Damnit, I did my math wrong and it's too late to edit. Lemme correct something.

2105612.565 KG. is my VERY generous weight for section A, as steel is the heaviest building material possible, and let's face it, in Megaman's universe better alternatives clearly exist, and that looks nothing like steel, even 8bit steel. =P

This comes out as [b]4782347.643 lbs or 2316.173 tons as the maximum weight for section A. Impressive. o_O [/B]

Most impressive...but he is not a Jedi yet...>.>