Zero VS Link(twilight princes)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I think you saw the wrong fight, the one on the magnetic disk floating in lava against the massive Goron in plate armour?

I mathed it in this thread, looks can be deceiving, but you can check my work for yourself.

Sorry, but the process for your math was also wrong. I've pointed this out before, but you assumed that Dangora was made from granite (one of the heavier types of stone) even though there is no official statements to back this up, nor are there any statements made to reveal a goron's density. Not only that, but you are assuming that goron's are basically solid stone through and through. Big assumption, considering they move and breath and eat. Your 200 ton figure is therefore a guess based on some pretty glaring assumptions.

Link is strong, that much is obvious, but at best I'd put him at the 10-20 ton class, to borrow comic book terminology.

gorons dont necessarily breathe. one was trapped in stone underwater in twilight princess.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
gorons dont necessarily breathe. one was trapped in stone underwater in twilight princess.

Am I being too picky and detailed for a VG vs thread? Probably, but it is necessary when someone makes an appeal to mathematics. If you want to appeal to mathematics, then you must accurately consider every detail in your calculations.

For the record, Gorons in TP never feel the urge to breathe while underwater.

Really, it's pointless.
Zero is just like any other char. Hit him about 10 times and he goes down. I would translate that as every time that Link would strike him, Zero would continue to lose power until he is out. Also, Zero loses energy by merely touching an enemy whether it attacks or not, bringing up some resiliancy issues.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
For the record, Gorons in TP never feel the urge to breathe while underwater.

Really, it's pointless.
Zero is just like any other char. Hit him about 10 times and he goes down. I would translate that as every time that Link would strike him, Zero would continue to lose power until he is out. Also, Zero loses energy by merely touching an enemy whether it attacks or not, bringing up some resiliancy issues.

and you sound like link can hit him

Originally posted by Acrosurge
That's the one I saw: Link vs Dangora on an island floating in lava. While standing, Dangora was no taller than 20 feet, and that's being extremely generous. When he rolls up, he's less than 12 feet in diameter, using Link as the measure. (the angle of your pic put Dangora closer to the camera, giving him a false perspective of increased size in relation to Link).

Sorry, but the process for your math was also wrong. I've pointed this out before, but you assumed that Dangora was made from granite (one of the heavier types of stone) even though there is no official statements to back this up, nor are there any statements made to reveal a goron's density. Not only that, but you are assuming that goron's are basically solid stone through and through. Big assumption, considering they move and breath and eat. Your 200 ton figure is therefore a guess based on some pretty glaring assumptions.

Link is strong, that much is obvious, but at best I'd put him at the 10-20 ton class, to borrow comic book terminology.

Actually, the picture is of when they're close to each other with the Goron a little farther away, math doesn't lie.

And no, I didn't math granite, even light granite is 60% heavier than the numbers I used.

Goron's are stated to be solid rock, they eat rocks, as well.

10-20 ton class is spittign in Link's face.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, the picture is of when they're close to each other with the Goron a little farther away, math doesn't lie.

And no, I didn't math granite, even light granite is 60% heavier than the numbers I used.

Goron's are stated to be solid rock, they eat rocks, as well.

10-20 ton class is spittign in Link's face.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Proof they are this heavy.

And class 10 to 20 strength seems about right for Link. How is that an insult? He's as strong or stronger than Spider-Man, for heaven's sake!

Game mechanics? It is what it is. We all can discern whether its PIS or not.

Aside from the Goron, Link is able to overpower the man who holds the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf.
We are talking about a guy whose full power is unknown. A guy who, in his most weakened state, was able to bring down a giant castle with merely a breathe.

It's insulting to the character because it's a gross underestimation. Link by feats is MUCH stronger than that, how it 'seems' to you doesn't matter when canon fact clearly disagrees with you.

Goron's are made of stone, this is a canon fact. The math I used is about right for something lacking the density of a rock like granite, but not quite as light as sadnstone, and given that gorons eat rocks, that is very generous of me as apparently their jaws/teeth can crunch rubies, as stated in OoT.

Link threw a Goron which must have weighed atleast 200 tons like a ragdoll, and you're claiming in the face of these facts and math, that 10-20 'seems right' to you?

Wrong. You're disqualified, fail math class, may never own a Zelda game, and must turn in your penis, and leave the internet.

🙂

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Sorry, ScreamPaste, but your math isn't going to cut it unless your variables (composition, density, size) are accurate.

My 200 figure is the lowest outcome reasonable, actually. 😛 The variables can ONLY be bigger, so your assumption my numbers are wrong only helps Link.

Also, the variables weren't guessed, they were rounded down to the minimal possible to prevent overhyping.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
My 200 figure is the lowest outcome reasonable, actually. 😛 The variables can ONLY be bigger, so your assumption my numbers are wrong only helps Link.

Also, the variables weren't guessed, they were rounded down to the minimal possible to prevent overhyping.

We can agree to disagree here, ScreamPaste, but that's about it. Again, you cannot claim an appeal to math when the variables are unknown.

I'll add this, if your case for Link is built upon the presupposition that he MUST have 200 ton strength, then you should honestly reconsider your position.

No, the diamater of the Goron has been measured, then rounded down. The composition of the Goron is rock, that's fact. Rock has high density, also fact.

I have math based on facts, facts which I rounded down to the minimal. You have 'what seems right'. Looks logicly like the facts favour me, because if I was wrong, the number is bigger. If I'm right, it's still atleast 200 tons.

what can you say to debunk the evidence I have other than "you don't know the variables". Guess what, I already accounted for that by useing numbers smaller than could possibly occupy the actual variable's position. So...? Looks to me like 10-20 is spitting in the character's face, he's clearly much stronger than thar.

Okay, so you remain adamant about this methodology for Link's strength. Would you have any problem with me applying it to Zero, with the same assumptions regarding composition applied to Mega Man feats?

Give me a screenshot and I can math it.

Sidenote. It doesn't work the same way on mechs and the like, which are often much lighter than their size would otherwise indicate because when you're designing something to move, it's often best to build it light, IE, a steel tank, even though steel is heavier than rock, weighs less than a rock of equivelant size because the tank is mostly hollow. The same applies to buildings which have rooms, ect.

I can math it, but the variables involved are.. well a lot more variable. 😛

I would say that your appraoch on the math is outstanding, Screampaste. If you're right, you're right. If you're wrong, that's even better. Nice work.

I'd pay Shin to do my taxes. Well, as long as he doesn't round down or something. >.<

Only big business gets to round down taxes.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Give me a screenshot and I can math it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sidenote. It doesn't work the same way on mechs and the like, which are often much lighter than their size would otherwise indicate because when you're designing something to move, it's often best to build it light, IE, a steel tank, even though steel is heavier than rock, weighs less than a rock of equivelant size because the tank is mostly hollow. The same applies to buildings which have rooms, ect.

Screenshots and math coming.