Frank Castle, Nick Fury & Kraven the Hunter vs The Flash(Wally)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He constantly sees things at a stand still. Like a DVD.

Even while going at speeds faster than light, he still views the world the way he wants to.

Hence why at speeds faster than light, he can move through a crowd of over half a million people, who are mostly shoulder to shoulder, and scan each, and every single face for a smile while avoiding so much as brushing any of them.

Obviously he can't as Flash is the Flash and Burnout is Burnout. On completely different levels.

Do it with prep?

Well, with his perception turned on, nothing should be able to catch him by surprise, not even a bullet from behind the head. Hell, even when he turns it off, it has still activated automatically in the past when he was in danger.

Even when the Spectre erased his memories, the moment he got in serious danger, his perception turned on. It's just how he views the way, unless he turns it off.

In this scenario, they are placing bombs by the way, and not taking shots at unaware Flash.

There are lots of showings from JLA that contradict that. It just means The Flash isnt consistent.

your face isn't consistent

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There are lots of showings from JLA that contradict that. It just means The Flash isnt consistent.

Those showings are PIS. We all know if Wally was written as he is, he would solo mostly anything.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those showings are PIS. We all know if Wally was written as he is, he would solo mostly anything.

Those showings arent PIS if there are lots of them. It means hes inconsistent.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Those showings arent PIS if there are lots of them. It means hes inconsistent.

It's not inconsistency. Just writers ignoring his power set, and having him holding back a majority of his power to fit the plot. It happens to a lot of different characters, but when you have a power house like Wally West, it should happen even more so, in a team book like the Justice League.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's not inconsistency. Just writers ignoring his power set, and having him holding back a majority of his power to fit the plot. It happens to a lot of different characters, but when you have a power house like Wally West, it should happen even more so, in a team book like the Justice League.

No its inconsistency it fits the defintion of what inconsistency is. Characters are never protrayed consistently you dont just decide its PIS because one showing isnt the same as the other. 😬

In fact if hes that fast then he should never get hit and every single issue of Flash and JLA has PIS in it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No its inconsistency it fits the defintion of what inconsistency is. Characters are never protrayed consistently you dont just decide its PIS because one showing isnt the same as the other. 😬

His been able to do this for a long time though, and it's always active. It's been shown to be always active unless he wills out.

It's in his power set. If a writer obviously ignores it to fit the plot then I consider it PIS.

Call it inconsistency if you like, but I call it PIS.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His been able to do this for a long time though, and it's always active. It's been shown to be always active unless he wills out.

and the opposite of that statement is true as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

It's in his power set. If a writer obviously ignores it to fit the plot then I consider it PIS.

Call it inconsistency if you like, but I call it PIS.

How do you decide whats in his powerset?

Flash is written consistently... In his own book, which is the defacto standard we judge Wally by.

Wally wins an obvious spite thread.

Closed.

reopened... for gits and shiggles...

Team books downplay characters by huge margins (unless your name is Superman). I mean Green Lantern could handle most of what is thrown at the JLA, but they dont because its a team book. Same thing happens with the Flash. In his own book he pwns the JLA version of himself.

Besides, what Deathstroke can do, they cant (not that Deathstroke should have done it either). Deathstroke > these three. To put it simply, if these three where in a dark room, and someone simply flicked a switch, could they react/defend before the light hit them? Even in this scenario, Wally has gone intangible, and has a super healing factor. They cant touch him.

Wally wins.

😂 wow

Flash easy win

What I want to know is why do solo books take priority over team books?

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Besides, what Deathstroke can do, they cant (not that Deathstroke should have done it either). Deathstroke > these three.

Im sorry but thats complete nonsense. For starters NW has made him look like a chump twice. Batgirl has at least one good showing against DS, im prettty sure these 3 could beat Batgirl. Batman has one good showing against him and another which had cirumstances. Hell Punisher stalemated a character that could arguably stalemate or beat DS in h2h. Damn you wanna just make assumptions like that?

These 3 > DS.

Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Flash is written consistently... In his own book[/B

At least comparing to his last 10 years of spike in power and abilities

Originally posted by kgkg
Not really. Maybe better than how is portrayed in JLA etc but hardly consistent.

At least comparing to his last 10 years of spike in power and abilities

johns wrote him for a good 40 issues pretty consistently...

Roaul you still havent given a logical reason why solo books take precedence over team books. Stating that they have more weight without stating why they have more weight is not proof.

NW fought DS long before he fought Ras and it seems he was less skilled then because he got owned by Shiva, going by that NW was significantly less skilled.

We maybe talking about prep but according to you DS didnt have any prep and still beat Flash.

In terms of h2h and prep DS isnt better than those 3 either way its still double standards.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Roaul you still havent given a logical reason why solo books take precedence over team books. Stating that they have more weight without stating why they have more weight is not proof.

i did state why. several times.

NW fought DS long before he fought Ras and it seems he was less skilled then because he got owned by Shiva, going by that NW was significantly less skilled.

because he got owned by shiva he's suddenly weak? you do know who shiva is, right?

We maybe talking about prep but according to you DS didnt have any prep and still beat Flash.

he prepped for flash.

In terms of h2h and prep DS isnt better than those 3 either way its still double standards.

in your opinion. you originated the claim. its up to you to prove it.

My intention was not to make a spite thread. I wanted to take three people with great preparation ability to set up traps and try and stop somebody who is the team superior in a straight up fight.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and the opposite of that statement is true as well.

If a writer ignores something to fit a plot, it wouldn't apply here on the vs. boards, as we use all of a character's abilities, meaning it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How do you decide whats in his powerset?

It's always been in his power set, for a long time. Writers just ignore it, and tone him down in comics such as Justice League of America, significantly just like they do to other characters, but to an even bigger degree as the Flash is such a power house.

Originally posted by Raoul
i did state why. several times.

Not really. You said they were more consistent and they job less. In JLA they are consistently lower and as stated before in JLA hes wriiten to be less powerful thats the writers intpretation of his capabilities. So really you're just stating that JLA is jobbing and stating that you're opinion of what Flash is capable of takes precedent, its purely subjective.

Originally posted by Raoul

because he got owned by shiva he's suddenly weak? you do know who shiva is, right?

You missed the point hes not as good as Batman not even nearly if hes gets totally owned by Shiva.

Originally posted by Raoul

he prepped for flash.

Thats not what you said last time. Last time you said he couldnt have possibly known Flash was going to turn up....wow. Either way it doesnt matter because hes not as good as those 3 combined at prep.

Originally posted by Raoul

in your opinion. you originated the claim. its up to you to prove it.

Well for starters Punisher on his own has stalemated an opponet whos capable of beating DS in h2h. Hes not beating Punisher, Kraven and Nick at the sametime.

*sigh* Think im wasting my time trying to talk about Punishers prep skills but i'll try again both Dr Doom and Captain America have stated how resourecful the Punisher is. If props from two of marvels top strategist doesnt mean anything I dont know what does. Punisher would give DS a hard time with prep add Nick Fury and Kraven and its all over.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

It's always been in his power set, for a long time. Writers just ignore it, and tone him down in comics such as Justice League of America, significantly just like they do to other characters, but to an even bigger degree as the Flash is such a power house.

JLA has shown on numerous ocassions it isnt, its there interpretation and its just as valid as his solo issues.