Originally posted by Astner
I was talking physics, and obviously you're overlooking hyper-time.Then it's a universe and not a Megaverse. Has it ever been referred to as a Megaverse? Or is it only you trying to justify your false and bias claims? I think the latter.
Are you still going on with this bullshit? The omniverse is a cosmological term which describes all reality. You can't even prove your position yet you refuse to concede. That if anything is bias.
Wrong. Wikipedia is not a source of information. That's why there usually is external links at the bottom of the page to the actual sources of what they've written. Furthermore you can't prove it because you claimed it was "edited", since you inaccurately use Wikipedia as a source and not looking at the actual sources your validity equals zero--even if what you said is true.
Prove it. Panel evidence requested. Lucifer created at least one omniverse. That or concede.
A Megaverse is greater than a multiverse according to the Marvel handbook, which you can ask Mr Master to provide for you.
No, a universe in Vertigo equals a universe in Marvel.
The panel said Megaverses, and I go with what the panel. Unlike you who pull shit out of your own ass and consider it canon.
1. statistical studies between wikipedia and other respected encyclopedias has proven that it is as valid
2. panel means NOTHING in this debate, stop being thick. it is the VALIDITY of the panel that is being discussed and on panel evidence can not be crammed into sum1's mouth just so you feel like you have a case. again, UNIverse is the only thing that can be compared between companies and publishers. that is about the only constant. multiverse unless stated otherwise has an infinite number of universes and is self contained. this is true for lucifer and marvel.
MEGAVERSE however, isnt a progression from a multiverse but the sum total of a comic book reality. now obviously, LT can not hold two MEGAVERSES if this definition is to hold, and this definition DOES hold in lucifer. so, reasonably, it was either two universes, or two multiverses. now, for the longer time and in more instances specially in the past, LT has been referred to as a MULTIVERSAL guardian, which is why he can sumtimes try to destroy UNIverses to keep the multiversal balance. not only that, but the heart of the universe/UN/infinite being as well as secret wars all hint that marvel is a singular self contained consrtuct of infinite universes, meanign ONE multiverse. so it goes to reason that by the same definitions that lucifer has, LT held TWO UNIverses. nuthing more nuthing less. lucifer has specifically described THREE multiverses with small links to each other and yahweh. and a void with an apparently infinite number of other totalities rising and falling forever in the void and together they make up the lucifer MEGAVERSE. these three though are the ones related to lucifer. this is obviously more than marvel and the fact that lucifer can create from scratch however many he wished while presiding over two of those three means that in FACT he is much MUCH superior to LT or the heart of the universe.
now, i have explained it ad nauseum. please do NOT bring up this bullshit wordplay which means nothing in reality or ON PANEL evidence as the panel's validity itself is under question here. LT is inferior to lucifer unless you can explain to me, like i explained to you that he isnt. linguistics mean nuthing unless you can agree on the common definition of words, without them, nuthing can be compared.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm still laughing hysterically at you. Wikpedia. How do you expect to be taken seriously?
i know, mentally challenged people have been known to laugh hystericaly at random things.
no1 takes you seriously so whats the point of baiting me on things you know nothing about?
Here is another poster calling you out.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Show me.I have. [/B]
Originally posted by leonheartmmI am laughing at you for lying and being foolish enough to use wikipedia as a credible source.
i know, mentally challenged people have been known to laugh hystericaly at random things.no1 takes you seriously so whats the point of baiting me on things you know nothing about?
Originally posted by EnyalusShow me.
I have. [/B]
lets hope im doing this right, been a while.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Here is another poster calling you out.I am laughing at you for lying and being foolish enough to use wikipedia as a credible source.
err, no, hes asking for the scan and ive already posted the link to my photobucket page which has it since it was too large for kmc to upload you moron. maybe u shud go there and read it too.
says the person who has never read lucifer, and pretends to debate about it. your laughing because you have mental disabilities thats all there is to it.
you dont know though that wikipedia has been cross referenced to be as good as any other encyclopedia and their articles are scanned. why dont u keep your mouth shut from now on? youve been humiliated enough.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets hope im doing this right, been a while.http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/?action=view¤t=Lucifer_Nirvana_p05.jpg
1. they both have the same power LEVELS, only different IMPLEMENTATIONS
2. since at last you seem to accept that i was right in my claim, i was never sayign he created it all, half was his{energy/shape/time} and half was micheals{matter/space}. however, using the same power as micheal, elaine created her own MULTIverse without lucifer's power contribution, and that puts lucifer's power proportionately, upto multiverse creation without drainage. its nature is different, but the potency remains compareable if not slightly superior. also, surviving the demiurgic explosion without a scrath at ground zero also puts his durability way above LT who DIED in what was almost the precise marvel version of the demirugis explosion{heart of the universe}.
Originally posted by leonheartmmIt was referenced once as a universe and once as a multiverse.
err, no, hes asking for the scan and ive already posted the link to my photobucket page which has it since it was too large for kmc to upload you moron. maybe u shud go there and read it too.says the person who has never read lucifer, and pretends to debate about it. your laughing because you have mental disabilities thats all there is to it.
you dont know though that wikipedia has been cross referenced to be as good as any other encyclopedia and their articles are scanned. why dont u keep your mouth shut from now on? youve been humiliated enough.
Not my problem you didn't know how to use photobucket until you pmed someone.
Dude, anyone can submit any info on wikipedia. The fact you don't know that makes me seriously question your intelligence.
Originally posted by leonheartmmWho helped you?
idiot.read my last post
Originally posted by Astner
leonheartmm, you failed at deliver any of my requests.This makes one give up hope in convincing you.
you didnt REQUEST anything, you tried to rebut with lingusitic evidence from the panel when the very CONCEPT under scutiny was the validity of linuistic evidence from the panel in crossoverse. hence, the perfect circular argument on your part, ive explained it enough, if you dont like the reasoning, too bad, but you havent rebutted it and thats what matters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was referenced once as a universe and once as a multiverse.Not my problem you didn't know how to use photobucket until you pmed someone.
Dude, anyone can submit any info on wikipedia. The fact you don't know that makes me seriously question your intelligence. Who helped you?
no, it was referenced as a universe/real and lucifer CATEGORICALLY corrected it to a multiverse, there is a difference. mostly, its just called creation and you havent read lucifer, so stop arguing when ur not even familiar with the content.
yes, none of it was even directed at you, so again, why are you posting? and i didnt pm any1, i only put up the scan enyalus asked for on photobucked, the others are from a long time back when i was arguing air walker and some others on lucifer.
lmao, you wanna put that theory to the test, go ahead, go on madonna's profile and try and post some thing wrong, i dare you. wiki articles arent like they used to be, they are scanned and have been for quite some time, your out of touch sonny.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. they both have the same power LEVELS, only different IMPLEMENTATIONS
Originally posted by leonheartmm
2. since at last you seem to accept that i was right in my claim, i was never sayign he created it all, half was his{energy/shape/time} and half was micheals{matter/space}. however, using the same power as micheal, elaine created her own MULTIverse without lucifer's power contribution, and that puts lucifer's power proportionately, upto multiverse creation without drainage. its nature is different, but the potency remains compareable if not slightly superior.
Elaine was a unique case. Offspring of Michael, which shouldn't have even been able to happen. She was already powerful in her own right. Then she absorbs Michael's power. That's how she had enough power to create her own universe, which Lucy temps her into making just to see if she can. Elaines own power + Michael's power >> Lucy's power.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
also, surviving the demiurgic explosion without a scrath at ground zero also puts his durability way above LT who DIED in what was almost the precise marvel version of the demirugis explosion{heart of the universe}.
1. wrong, there are many different explanation of their dual nature. one is power-will, another is matter- energy. beyond that, lucifer creates TIME from nuthing, as well as ENERGY. lucifer LIGHTS up the suns.
going over it again.
shaping already created matter and dimensions.
infinite will.
creating energy from nothing.{lightbringer powers}
creating time from nothing. {different from lightbringer powers}
the most powerful being under god{sumtimes him other times stated to be micheal
the most beautiful being in creation
escaped pre destination, sumthing which even yahweh cudnt do
is not bound even by concepts like death
elaine had no power other than to fly and BEAR angelic children. that was the reason that fallen angel created her, to bear an ARMY of normal angels. she wasnt even able to escape from susano's lanterns under her own power and i dont remember her harming any1 with it or creating anything, she was under mortal danger from a jin en mok which makes her power nuthing when compared to micheal or lucifer. it was ENTIRELY micheal's demiurgic power which she released which created the multiverse. since she was able to create it on her own and its the same power which is compareable to lucifer, the POTENCY of lucifer's lighbringer powers is equal to the potency of elaine's solo multiverse creating demiurgic power. different in nature, maybe, but same power level, i.e beyond multiversal.
and yet that NON explosion DESTROYED the multiverse did it not? the same phenomenon happened with micheal if you think about it, destruction of an old multiverse if it wasnt outside it, then recreation of the multiverse EXACTLY as THOTU and lucifer survived, unphased. so who is superior?
reed became part of the alien entity and gave BIRTH to the new universe, not the same as lucifer who only intervened after all was said and done. again, this energy was stated on panel by other angels to destroy the multiverse and they were afraid they wud die if they were in its proximity.
Originally posted by leonheartmmSo, you agree it was once referenced as a universe and later as a multiverse.
no, it was referenced as a universe/real and lucifer CATEGORICALLY corrected it to a multiverse, there is a difference. mostly, its just called creation and you havent read lucifer, so stop arguing when ur not even familiar with the content.yes, none of it was even directed at you, so again, why are you posting? and i didnt pm any1, i only put up the scan enyalus asked for on photobucked, the others are from a long time back when i was arguing air walker and some others on lucifer.
lmao, you wanna put that theory to the test, go ahead, go on madonna's profile and try and post some thing wrong, i dare you. wiki articles arent like they used to be, they are scanned and have been for quite some time, your out of touch sonny.
Keep using wikepedia. It's good for a laugh.
referred to more than once as a universe for convenience, mostly referred to as creation, CATEGORICALLY and in context to other references as a universe, CORRECTED by the titular character, to be a multiverse. read lucifer
lol, so again, you shy down from a challenge then? go on, try and CHANGE sumthing on madonna's profile, i dare ya.
Originally posted by leonheartmmI think it was pis when he referred to it as a multiverse anyways.
referred to more than once as a universe for convenience, mostly referred to as creation, CATEGORICALLY and in context to other references as a universe, CORRECTED by the titular character, to be a multiverse. read luciferlol, so again, you shy down from a challenge then? go on, try and CHANGE sumthing on madonna's profile, i dare ya.
^but it doesnt matter what you think. you cant decide PIS unless you have read the thing under discussion. now, HAVE you read lucifer?????
and no, he categorically explained it and it was never denied, its truth and supported by instances of alternate dimensional versions of main characters appearing in the same reality from other parts of yahweh's creation.
again, HAVE YOU READ LUCIFER QUANCHI????
