Originally posted by TricksterPriestthe helmet has to be attacked where it connects to his costume for it to come off, the helmet itself has withstood multiple class 100 shots without simply "falling off".
It's only a matter of time until the helmets come off. Once that happens, Cain is done.
shit, wwh crumpled the helmet and it stayed put.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Didn't Juggernaut affect Xavier's astral form during the wager of octessance?Also I'm not sure what the mechanics are behind astral projection in Marvel but telepathy itself is based on electromagnetism and Manhunter phases by partially entering another dimension so I don't think they can directly correlate.
But I guess if Juggernaut is allowed to use one time feats, or in this case, two time feats, he could pull a few stalemates.
why does it matter when he did it? juggernaut is a mystical character and we are not Sure what he is capable of.
as for phasing into anotehr dimension, juggernaut has shown to be able to smash down the walls between dimensions. on more than one occasion. i'm not sure that he would be able to do it on the fly, but he could in theory do it. i'm not argueing a case for juggernaut. i'm argueing a case that he will not go down by phasing. it is still entirely possible that he could still erect his force field and stop him from even entereing while phased. after all, NOTHING has penetrated his force field. except being mind f***ed
still mm wins, alot more than he loses.
Originally posted by KillAll
why does it matter when he did it? juggernaut is a mystical character and we are not Sure what he is capable of.as for phasing into anotehr dimension, juggernaut has shown to be able to smash down the walls between dimensions. on more than one occasion. i'm not sure that he would be able to do it on the fly, but he could in theory do it. i'm not argueing a case for juggernaut. i'm argueing a case that he will not go down by phasing. it is still entirely possible that he could still erect his force field and stop him from even entereing while phased. after all, NOTHING has penetrated his force field. except being mind f***ed
still mm wins, alot more than he loses.
On more than one occasion? I only know of Trion doing that and that was once to my recollection. I don't think Normal Cain will be able to do that.
Originally posted by KillAllhe has to be aware that taking it off will make juggy vulnerable to his telepathy, it's not common knowledge..
it has been removed several times over his past. mm CAN and will probably get it off. how, not sure, but he will, in which case juggernaut has no way of defending himself.
- nimrod struck the clasps of the helmet with a chop, it knew how to incapacitate him and knew that even tight beam sonics wouldn't effect him with the helmet on.
- the x-men even from the first appearances of juggernaut had to distract cain and somehow get the helmet off just so xavier could mind blast him. and even that wasn't permanent.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
- the x-men even from the first appearances of juggernaut had to distract cain and somehow get the helmet off just so xavier could mind blast him. and even that wasn't permanent.
That wasn't permanent? Do you think Xavier wanted to keep Cain in stasis permanently? If so, then you haven't understood much about Xavier.
Say mm gets off the helment and gets into his head and the real Juggy come out. Docter strange could not even stay in his head for to long before the real Juggy hurt him. So the mm could not really win over the Juggernaut by getting into his head. I would for the sake of being a nice guy call it a draw.
Originally posted by KillAll
why does it matter when he did it? juggernaut is a mystical character and we are not Sure what he is capable of.
as for phasing into anotehr dimension, juggernaut has shown to be able to smash down the walls between dimensions. on more than one occasion. i'm not sure that he would be able to do it on the fly, but he could in theory do it. i'm not argueing a case for juggernaut. i'm argueing a case that he will not go down by phasing. it is still entirely possible that he could still erect his force field and stop him from even entereing while phased. after all, NOTHING has penetrated his force field. except being mind f***edstill mm wins, alot more than he loses.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
he has to be aware that taking it off will make juggy vulnerable to his telepathy, it's not common knowledge..- nimrod struck the clasps of the helmet with a chop, it knew how to incapacitate him and knew that even tight beam sonics wouldn't effect him with the helmet on.
- the x-men even from the first appearances of juggernaut had to distract cain and somehow get the helmet off just so xavier could mind blast him. and even that wasn't permanent.
Originally posted by The Red Light
Say mm gets off the helment and gets into his head and the real Juggy come out. Docter strange could not even stay in his head for to long before the real Juggy hurt him. So the mm could not really win over the Juggernaut by getting into his head. I would for the sake of being a nice guy call it a draw.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvisso then j'onn would have to "accidentally" replicate that feat then.
Hulk popped his helmet off by spinning him over his head like lasso by his eye holes. I don't think it would be that hard for Manhunter to accidentally remove the helmet. Not only is the face a common place of attack but it's the most armored part of his body. It almost begs to be targeted.
and he would have to attempt another mind attack after taking the helmet off, but he should be a bit discouraged after failing before hand.
but if juggernaut opens his big mouth about the helmet trick, j'onn wins no matter what.