Originally posted by EnyalusPer AM, his anti-matter wave was capable of destroying every earth in the DC multiverse (and yes, I know it was halted due to all of the external variables.) My only point is that I'm hard-pressed to see Mjolnir absorbing energies on that level (especially anti-matter energies.) *shrug*
AM wave? Mjolnir absorbs it.
Originally posted by EnyalusAM was taking a combined assault from all of the Guardians, simultaneously. And before you talk about how unimpressive the Guardians are, in that very same issue a single blast from one Guardian annihilated a handful of SC troops. Ohh and after that AM also endured a galaxy-busting explosion from ground zero. Could Mjolnir replicate that type of power?
AM's also not fast enough to dodge an Odinforce Godblast, either.
Originally posted by EnyalusYet a mere touch from AM owned a Guardian? See where I'm going?
AM did land a direct energy blast on Yat and on Sorinak, and both survived. Yat multiple times. Without being Ion at the time.
Originally posted by EnyalusGoing by what was stated on panel, even a fresh anti-matter wave was destroying every one/thing in it's path:
He started up the AM wave and it looked as though Prime was caught in it. Then afterwards all the heroes are fighting around him and the area around them all is completely white, indicating they're fighting in that anti-matter area, too.
Originally posted by EnyalusThat's Prime though. Do we need to start rambling off all of his other absurd feats as well?
Prime also flies directly through his body, which is made up of anti-matter...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor never demonstrated an ability to create an instantaneous full anti-matter wave. This is a fact. If Anti-Monitor's attacks and wave are not true anti-matter, which classic Thor has dealt with, then it is simply another form of energy which Mjolnir can absorb. He has absorbed the null energy of a bomb that would have destroyed a galaxy with Mjolnir.This classic Thor feat conveniently matches the scope of the combined GL Corps feat who contained the anti-matter wave and a Milky Way busting Warworld detonation and then shunted it into the anti-matter universe. Now consider that this thread involves King Thor, who is wildly more powerful than classic Thor. King Thor should have even less trouble with either: (i) dealing with traditional anti-matter; or if it's not traditional anti-matter; then (ii) dealing with a massive amount of unspecified energy.
Is it worth it to try to characterize this unspecified energy and speculate as to whether it will give King Thor any problems? Mjolnir has never been restricted when it comes to exotic energies. And as far as what we do know of Anti-Monitor's energies: (i) Sodam Yat, a Daxamite with a GL ring, handled them fine pre-Ion upgrade; (ii) Superboy Prime wasn't even slowed down; and (iii) GL forcefields contained and shunted it away.
Only real question in this fight is whether King Thor could defeat Anti-Monitor by himself with the Odinforce. Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor did tank a lot of damage.
lets take a step back shall we, odin shaking a multiverse/destroying galaxies/king thor receiving galaxy destroying damage. the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST END AND RAREST FEATS OF THE SAID CHARACTERS THAT CAN BE FOUND, and considered classic examples of PIS. anti monitor, a being who regularly detroyes universes with ease and absrobs countless, a being beyond universal in scale. and his LOWEST end feats when he is WEAKENED are still compareable if not superior to the highest end PIS of those two. and sumhow, certain posters want to come to the conclusion that the enrgy which was at PIS low levels in recent time, which was still able to brutalise a guardian of the universe simply by mere touch and which has been known to destroy countless UNIVERSES in the past normal power levels, is sumhow easily dealt with because it can be interpreted to be solely anti matter and using MARVEL'S instead of the cannon DC's definition of it, fairly small amounts of said energy have been absorbed by mjolnir, therefore it goes to reason that current anti monitor can neither harm king thor, but will also be soundly BEATEN by king thor?!?!?!? am i the only one who thinks this is a ridiculously biased, unreasonable and fanboyish argument???
Originally posted by Galan007
Per AM, his anti-matter wave was capable of destroying every earth in the DC multiverse (and yes, I know it was halted due to all of the external variables.) My only point is that I'm hard-pressed to see Mjolnir absorbing energies on that level (especially anti-matter energies.) *shrug*
Originally posted by Galan007
AM was taking a combined assault from all of the Guardians, simultaneously. And before you talk about how unimpressive the Guardians are, in that very same issue a single blast from one Guardian annihilated a handful of SC troops. Ohh and after that AM also endured a galaxy-busting explosion from ground zero. Could Mjolnir replicate that type of power?
The Guardians are nowhere near as physically powerful as KT is. They had to use energy blasts. KT doesn't. He cracks moons with just the aftershocks of his physical blows. And yes, I'd think even without Mjolnir, KT's energy blasts > a Guardians. A weakened King Thor's eye beams tore apart CA's vibranium shield. Godblasts from Classic Thor has nearly killed Galactus, one-shotted skyfathers, and BFR'd Ymir and Surtur at the same time. Outputting galaxy busting power via Mjolnir should be no problem as KT. Also, if AM does decide to blast him, there's always absorption to amplification for the serious hurting. 😛
AM isn't built to beat KT. Slow and primarly using energy attacks to down opponents. KT matches up against him very well.
^ Disintegrating Cap's shield (which is not vibranium, but a combination of steel and vibranium) is a monumental feat by King Thor that reveals the potency of his attacks. But I'm not sure King Thor can bust out galaxy destroying attacks. It's not obvious IMHO. It's very arguable, but not obvious.
Originally posted by leonheartmmYou're not stepping back, you're side-stepping. Classic Thor's highest end feat was to contain the explosion of a Life Bomb that would have destroyed 1/5th of the universe. In addition, King Thor exhibited power levels that were wildly beyond classic Thor levels. So to suggest that we're highballing, when any reliance on classic Thor's on-panel feat of absorbing galaxy-busting energies should be qualified against King Thor who proved to be wildly more powerful, is completely off-point. This isn't classic Thor. It's King Thor. In addition, you're relying on classic Anti-Monitor feats. This isn't classic Anti-Monitor. It's Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor.
lets take a step back shall we, odin shaking a multiverse/destroying galaxies/king thor receiving galaxy destroying damage. the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST END AND RAREST FEATS OF THE SAID CHARACTERS THAT CAN BE FOUND, and considered classic examples of PIS. anti monitor, a being who regularly detroyes universes with ease and absrobs countless, a being beyond universal in scale. and his LOWEST end feats when he is WEAKENED are still compareable if not superior to the highest end PIS of those two.
Originally posted by leonheartmmNo, you're projecting someone else's argument (and wrongly at that) onto my argument. Because whether or not Anti-Monitor's touch burned and scarred a Guardian, it did not kill a Daxamite with a GL ring. It did not slow down Superboy Prime. And the anti-matter wave was contained by a few dozen GL Corps members and shunted into the anti-matter universe. I am comparing what we know of Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor's attacks with King Thor's capabilities. You're obfuscating the debate by focusing on a tangent and comparing classic Anti-Monitor 's feats (rather than feats from Sinestro Corps War) against classic Thor.
and sumhow, certain posters want to come to the conclusion that the enrgy which was at PIS low levels in recent time, which was still able to brutalise a guardian of the universe simply by mere touch and which has been known to destroy countless UNIVERSES in the past normal power levels, is sumhow easily dealt with because it can be interpreted to be solely anti matter and using MARVEL'S instead of the cannon DC's definition of it, fairly small amounts of said energy have been absorbed by mjolnir, therefore it goes to reason that current anti monitor can neither harm king thor, but will also be soundly BEATEN by king thor?!?!?!? am i the only one who thinks this is a ridiculously biased, unreasonable and fanboyish argument???
Originally posted by EnyalusAM can crak teh moonz tu!!!:
KT doesn't. He cracks moons with just the aftershocks of his physical blows.
Originally posted by EnyalusNone of that equates to galaxy-busting potential.
A weakened King Thor's eye beams tore apart CA's vibranium shield. Godblasts from Classic Thor has nearly killed Galactus, one-shotted skyfathers, and BFR'd Ymir and Surtur at the same time. Outputting galaxy busting power via Mjolnir should be no problem as KT.
Originally posted by EnyalusOnly if you're of the assumption that KT is capable of absorbing what AM can produce.
Also, if AM does decide to blast him, there's always absorption to amplification for the serious hurting.
You're all obsfucating the debate. Everyone agrees that AM isn't at COIE levles but his power wasn't retconed, he still possesses the power of a universe (at least). If we accept that high heralds like GL's (big bangs) and Thor (a fraction of a universal blast) can contain big blasts, what the GL's did to the anti-matter wave should be considered a high end feat for them.
I'm reading people say Thor can do a,b,c,d when 12 heralds (with an even better containment weapon) can do the same, it's not that big of a deal.
Overall AM doesn't need an antimatter wave to beat Thor and emo supes has PC level durability (any argument that settles on SBP is poor), the guy defies expectations. Sodam Yat got swatted away by AM, I have the GLC issue somewhere here, nothing more.
Originally posted by AllanklesCOIE Anti-Monitor had already absorbed the power of an undisclosed amount of universes by the time we first see him. Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor had not. BIG difference.
You're all obsfucating the debate. Everyone agrees that AM isn't at COIE levles but his power wasn't retconed, he still possesses the power of a universe (at least). If we accept that high heralds like GL's (big bangs) and Thor (a fraction of a universal blast) can contain big blasts, what the GL's did to the anti-matter wave should be considered a high end feat for them.I'm reading people say Thor can do a,b,c,d when 12 heralds (with an even better containment weapon) can do the same, it's not that big of a deal.
Overall AM doesn't need an antimatter wave to beat Thor and emo supes has PC level durability (any argument that settles on SBP is poor), the guy defies expectations. Sodam Yat got swatted away by AM, I have the GLC issue somewhere here, nothing more.
GLs are not high heralds. Not even close. Kyle, while tapping into the Ion power, contained Imperiex, who wasn't planning on going Big Bang, at the same time that Braniac-13 was absorbing his energies. Context.
Classic Thor has better feats than any post-Crisis GL. And Ion feats don't count. And this is King Thor. Superman Prime does not have PC durability. Sodam Yat got knocked to the ground and kept getting back up immediately. A Daxamite with a GL ring. That should reveal how potent Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor's attacks are.
Originally posted by Galan007
AM can crak teh moonz tu!!!:
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That's...nice. But COIE AM slamming PC Earth-Two Supes into the moon and cracking it slightly isn't the same as the aftershocks of someone's blows totally shattering the moon when they're fighting on Earth...like this:
Originally posted by Galan007
None of that equates to galaxy-busting potential.
Originally posted by Galan007
Only if you're of the assumption that KT is capable of absorbing what AM can produce.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Next we going to hear that Thor can absorb a Universal destroyer 😉
He absorbed the energies of a Thanos clone who was amped to such a degree that he had enough power to wipe out all life in the...multiverse, I think. He didn't, of course. Because Thor stopped him. Just like SC AM didn't destroy any universes, because the heroes stopped him.
Originally posted by AllanklesHow is he the knock out artist?
Thor better come in bobbing and weaving if he's going to take this, AM is the knock out artist here.
Originally posted by leonheartmmHow can you be wrong every single time.....this is sc not coie.
wrong. anti monitors energy was the sum total of the anti matter universe and absorbing the total life force of uncountable other universes. it wasnt just ANTI MATTER that exists in the negetive zone etc. your making a ridiculous comparison here.
Originally posted by EnyalusI think that's... an inaccurate description of what happened.
Heh. Classic Thor's done that, going by your comparison.He absorbed the energies of a Thanos clone who was amped to such a degree that he had enough power to wipe out all life in the...multiverse, I think. He didn't, of course. Because Thor stopped him. Just like SC AM didn't destroy any universes, because the heroes stopped him.
Originally posted by xJLxKingAnd? He failed to put down Sodam Yat with two blasts. The guy while powerful isn't on the same level as King Thor.
AM wins. His attack was able to incinerate GL easily. His mere touch was corrupt and hurt(for a long time) a Guardian of the universe.He was able to take the attack from the Guardian easily.
Originally posted by EnyalusKing Thor would slaughter a shit ton of gl's.
He took two shots. And was alive. And didn't have the Ion Power upgrade there. And so was Sorinak.King Thor's far beyond a Green Lantern.
Originally posted by xJLxKingDid you read it?
No, what I mean is he is able to get hit while others just like him(if not stronger) get K.O.No, but they did say something.
