Onslaught Hulk vs. Superman

Originally posted by Spire
Lol, I checked this earlier and gave you the benefit of the doubt that you accepted your failure. Oh well...

Wow! 'imo' and 'nah uh' are back! There is no BFR in this fight. You only brought up BFR as means of side stepping and jumping around. Also the original point was that Superman will use speed. Reread the thread.

Anything that Superman would need.

Original point=Cyclops cracked his armor. Reread the thread.

Hulk got knocked on his ass then pinned. Ha. Then they both gave speeches. Then hulk broke his shell. Point is their will be no speeches here. I already made that clear, you just ignored it. Once again, reread the thread.

Wrong. Superman uses his speed. KMC rules. Get over it. I already explained how your thread failed. You weren't smart enough to understand something very simple. Reread the thread.

Lol, at insults. Also apparently the deaf ears part wasn't true at all. Lastly your intelligence, judging by my previous two sentences(in this response) could only be described with Ha & Lol.

You brought up bfr so I responded to it. A weaker Hulk has blocked an attempt before. WW also prevented Superman from doing so. So, really what's your point? Bfr is out anyways so let it go.

Yes, Cyclops cracked his armor but no one else present was powerful enough to completely destroy the shell. That is why they needed the Hulk to do it. Cracking something and completely destroying it are two entirely different things. This should be common sense.

In comics they usually give speeches and how you are desperately hanging your head on that or why I'll never know. The point is the Hulk did do on his back. At an incredibly difficult angle he did so.

I am the thread starter and Superman can use his speed much in the same way he did against WW. He will fly right into the Hulk and be on him the entire fight.

If you want to comment in a regular Hulk vs. a regular Superman thread feel free, but please don't act like I haven't set up certain stipulations to make this a fair fight.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Well his mind usually isn't shut off.

What was countered? I always respond to every counter I see.

Iyo he is at more of a disadvantage. I didn't make this a slugfest or anything.

he's closer to his normal mindset than superman is, though.

no you don't. you just change the subject when your claims are shown to be untrue, and recycle them in other threads so you can claim ignorance. a few people on this forum do it, and it's not on.

he IS at more of a disadvantage, as you've taken away his ability to strategise.

I just love how some people ignore this rule in these fights.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Supes rapes Hulk again and again.....

New World of Krypton 3.

That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
New World of Krypton 3.

That's all I'm saying.

lulz.

Originally posted by Raoul
he's closer to his normal mindset than superman is, though.

no you don't. you just changed the subject when your claims are shown to be untrue, and recycle them in other threads so you can claim ignorance. a few people on this forum do it, and it's not on.

he IS at more of a disadvantage, as you've taken away his ability to strategise.

What claims were shown to be untrue?

Both character's clear thinking have been eliminated. You are free to have an opinion, but that isn't changing this thread.

You have voiced your opinion, but it's my thread. There are a lot of Superman vs. Hulk threads on here. This one stands out.

Originally posted by The Nuul
I just love how some people ignore this rule in these fights.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Supes rapes Hulk again and again.....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not really. Banner's mind isn't present at all.

What claims were shown to be untrue?

Both character's clear thinking have been eliminated. You are free to have an opinion, but that isn't changing this thread.

You have voiced your opinion, but it's my thread. There are a lot of Superman vs. Hulk threads on here. This one stands out.

because when he's hulk and in combat, banner has so much influence usually... except, he doesn't.

your talk about doomsday not having speed, even though it was shown on panel. when confronted with this, you just ignored it. i can't wait to see you bring it up on another thread. it seems to be a common thing on kmc with several people...

and its more of a hindrance to superman than it is to hulk.

it doesn't really, even if you think it does. you handicap superman to help hulk... wonderful. if it does stand out at all, its as one of the few superman v hulk threads that hasnt been closed, that's it...

Originally posted by Raoul
because when he's hulk and in combat, banner has so much influence usually... except, he doesn't.

your talk about doomsday not having speed, even though it was shown on panel. when confronted with this, you just ignored it. i can't wait to see you bring it up on another thread. it seems to be a common thing on kmc with several people...

and its more of a hindrance to superman than it is to hulk.

it doesn't really, even if you think it does. you handicap superman to help hulk... wonderful. if it does stand out at all, its as one of the few superman v hulk threads that hasnt been closed, that's it...

I never said Doomsday didn't have speed I said that he and Superman never used any in their fights. With that logic Hulk has enough speed to counter Glads who has shown it on occasion. That is the same logic you are using.

I agree that Superman uses strategy more often than the Hulk does. I also think that this Superman would win a lot more battles with this kill what's in front of me attitude. Soon as the bell rings he wants his opponent dead.

If I wanted to assure a hulk win I'd make it a slugfest. I did no such thing. Both characters are out for blood. It's fair.

Even in this scenario Supes crushes Hulk.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Even in this scenario Supes crushes Hulk.

You're having them fight in what is essentially the equivalent of the Redzone of a football field (20 yard line to the back of the endzone), which is still enough room for Supes to operate. Supes is exponentially faster than Hulk, can vibrate himself intangible if he gets cornered, and for all of Hulk's strength Supes still has him beat in the punch output department because Hulk can never match Supes's combination of velocity + strength + density which makes Supes punches that much more efficient if it came to a punch out. Factor in Super Breath that can possibly make Hulk brittle for a moment and it's even more in Supes' favor.

And I am an admitted Supes hater.

Originally posted by illadelph12
You're having them fight in what is essentially the equivalent of the Redzone of a football field (20 yard line to the back of the endzone), which is still enough room for Supes to operate. Supes is exponentially faster than Hulk, can vibrate himself intangible if he gets cornered, and for all of Hulk's strength Supes still has him beat in the punch output department because Hulk can never match Supes's combination of velocity + strength + density which makes Supes punches that much more efficient if it came to a punch out. Factor in Super Breath that can possibly make Hulk brittle for a moment and it's even more in Supes' favor.

And I am an admitted Supes hater.

I really don't see him doing enough damage to put Onslaught Hulk down. I mean Hulk has taken Thor blow after blow while much weaker than this beast. This beast did something that Thor couldn't apparently even do in this story. I mean the force from their blows were making it difficult for the heroes to approach him.

This fight will be getting up close and personal with neither side even so much as blinking. Hulk can take pretty much Superman's more powerful blows but I can't see Superman taking the thundershots from Hulk.

On his back he completely wrecked the shell. I see this fight lasting a good bit of time, but I only see him angering the Hulk and when he gets caught he gets ko'd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It depends on the version of the Hulk. This version needed to have his mind completely shut down to pull this off so obviously it has some influence however minor.

just not as much as it does on superman.

I never said Doomsday didn't have speed I said that he and Superman never used any in their fights. With that logic Hulk has enough speed to counter Glads who has shown it on occasion. That is the same logic you are using.

nope. it's been shown on panel that they used speed. Read DOS.

I agree that Superman uses strategy more often than the Hulk does. I also think that this Superman would win a lot more battles with this kill what's in front of me attitude. Soon as the bell rings he wants his opponent dead.

read world of new krypton 3.

If I wanted to assure a hulk win I'd make it a slugfest. I did no such thing. Both characters are out for blood. It's fair.

fair to you. not fair to clark.

Originally posted by illadelph12
You're having them fight in what is essentially the equivalent of the Redzone of a football field (20 yard line to the back of the endzone), which is still enough room for Supes to operate. Supes is exponentially faster than Hulk, can vibrate himself intangible if he gets cornered, and for all of Hulk's strength Supes still has him beat in the punch output department because Hulk can never match Supes's combination of velocity + strength + density which makes Supes punches that much more efficient if it came to a punch out. Factor in Super Breath that can possibly make Hulk brittle for a moment and it's even more in Supes' favor.

And I am an admitted Supes hater.

aye.

Originally posted by Raoul
just not as much as it does on superman.

nope. it's been shown on panel that they used speed. Read DOS.

read world of new krypton 3.

fair to you. not fair to clark.

aye.

I specifically referenced HP. In that arc no speed was used. It's been a long time since I looked over the death of Superman. I don't even think I have it on my pc anymore. Do you have any scans you could share?

I'll look through it.

Clark isn't real. You mean not fair to you.

On a sidenote, I must admit that I have never liked the idea of a bfr against anyone outside Juggs or maybe in a situation where the odds are stacked against a character that they must bfr some of the opposition to stand a chance.

superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok.

I specifically referenced HP. In that arc no speed was used. It's been a long time since I looked over the death of Superman. I don't even think I have it on my pc anymore. Do you have any scans you could share?

I'll look through it.

Clark isn't real. You mean not fair to you.

On a sidenote, I must admit that I have never liked the idea of a bfr against anyone outside Juggs or maybe in a situation where the odds are stacked against a character that they must bfr some of the opposition to stand a chance.

Doomsday has speed. Clark can't fight him unless he uses speed too. Doomsday isn't going to slow down to fight Superman. It's not within his character, and it's doubtful that he can even conceive of something like that nowadays.

Scans of them using speed:

Doomsday uses speed in combat:

Scans showing that to normal humans, Superman and Doomsday are little more than a blur. The second scan also has Superman admitting that he'll need to speed up to keep up with Doomsday. And he does, hence him taking down the creature at the end.

trying to claim that Superman doesn't use his speed against Doomsday when the creature is built to kill and would use ALL of its abilities to do so, is ludicrous. doomsday would use his speed against superman, and superman would be forced to use his too, hence them fighting at speed.

no, i mean not fair to clark. he uses his rational mind in fights. it allows him to be more effective against his foes.

Originally posted by Raoul
Doomsday has speed. Clark can't fight him unless he uses speed too. Doomsday isn't going to slow down to fight Superman. It's not within his character, and it's doubtful that he can even conceive of something like that nowadays.

Scans of them using speed:

Doomsday uses speed in combat:

Scans showing that to normal humans, Superman and Doomsday are little more than a blur. The second scan also has Superman admitting that he'll need to speed up to keep up with Doomsday. And he does, hence him taking down the creature at the end.

trying to claim that Superman doesn't use his speed against Doomsday when the creature is built to kill and would use ALL of its abilities to do so, is ludicrous. doomsday would use his speed against superman, and superman would be forced to use his too, hence them fighting at speed.

no, i mean not fair to clark. he uses his rational mind in fights. it allows him to be more effective against his foes.

I still don't think though that every time we have seen Doomsday since then that he uses his speed every single time. In hp he made no remarks about his speed. Just because someone hits Superman we cannot say they are using their optimum speed unless you think Superman fights at his maximum speed every single time.

Gladiator uses his speed in an attempt to bfr him, but he counters.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN1997_13b-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN1997_15a-1.jpg

He also closes the gap here when he was close to death.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/HulkANN1997_15b.jpg

I am not saying that the Hulk can counter every strike from Superman at his maximum speed, but that he can take his damage and eventually retaliate.

Their speed was commented in this issue and we cannot assume everytime Doomsday fights he uses his speed and the same goes for Superman, Gladiator, etc.

This is where we disagree. I think clark holds back too often and thinks too much. The Superman I used went for the kill right out of the gate. He used his abilities in a manner that clark would rarely ever allow him to use if ever.

All those scans do is prove that Gladiator is weak. Superman would not have used such stupid tactics and his heat vision would have killed Hulk.

Also, Hulk said he had about 3 seconds to react and stop Gladiator from carrying him into space. 3 SECONDS. 😐 For someone who's supposed to be a Superman analogue, that's PATHETIC. Gladiator used speed once, in a idiotic attempt to BFR Hulk, by grabbing him under his arms, while leaving his arms free to thunderclap his ass.

Superman would never have let Hulk have that free shot or given him the time to react.

Again....radiation makes him weak like kryptonite is to Supes. Some people like to leave out the context of the fight.