Originally posted by quanchi112
By your logic and style of debating, sure. Doomsday hasn't really demonstrated it during their fights and you cannot prove it. So, in the end it's just your opinion.
untrue. Superman himself stated even in DOS that Doomsday fought fast enough to surprise him. Superman at one point says he'll have to fight faster just to keep up with DD.
so my opinion and that of dan jurgens.
I was setting up an example to show you how five seconds can really buy a real person like Superman enough time to get back into the fight. He was vulnerable and recovered and then the fight continued. That isn't a one on one fight.
why bring up when he got knocked down? he let konvikt hit him, he got knocked down. they fought one on one later, and superman dominated.
Have you decided yet, I grow impatient. 😖hifty:
i just don't know. if this was a slugfest, i might lean towards Hulk. Onslaught was a hell of a lot more impressive when he was attacking (those EMPs were insane), but it took Cable, a Magneto clone and Cyclops to bust his armour. That's not THAT impressive, imo.
I actually kind of want Hulk to win, though. That shot where he turns to Jean, and he actually asks her to unleash the monster inside of him... It's one of the best moments of that entire arc, imo.
Originally posted by RaoulBeing fast enough to surprise someone doesn't mean you are as fast as someone else. To me that means Superman underestimated him.
untrue. Superman himself stated even in DOS that Doomsday fought fast enough to surprise him. Superman at one point says he'll have to fight faster just to keep up with DD.so my opinion and that of dan jurgens.
why bring up when he got knocked down? he let konvikt hit him, he got knocked down. they fought one on one later, and superman dominated.
i just don't know. if this was a slugfest, i might lean towards Hulk. Onslaught was a hell of a lot more impressive when he was attacking (those EMPs were insane), but it took Cable, a Magneto clone and Cyclops to bust his armour. That's not THAT impressive, imo.
I actually kind of want Hulk to win, though. That shot where he turns to Jean, and he actually asks her to unleash the monster inside of him... It's one of the best moments of that entire arc, imo.
Why ignore the effect of Konvikt's punch? Sure, he got up because he was given the time to recover.
If this was a slugfest Superman would have no chance whatsoever imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I made this thread as fair as I could.This is a mindless Hulk so I pitted him up against against a pissed off Superman. Bfr is out and a slugfest is out. If I wanted to guarantee a Hulk win I would have turned this into a slugfest.
This will basically go down like a Doomsday fight except the fact that Superman doesn't fear him and that he thinks he just killed Lois.
Supes will come at him with the intention to kill and not hold back whatsoever. This is perfectly fair.
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You are completely oblivious...
Originally posted by quanchi112
How?
The same way Onslaught and Thor did.
Only that now he fighting someone with actual speed. Also he is fighting someone bloodlusted.
Also Superman isn't going to knock Hulk on his ass then pin him down like Onslaught and give a speech, then continue to pin Hulk down and let Hulk give a speech while he increases his 'anger'.
Originally posted by SpireHulk has already fought someone with speed, Gladiator. Gladiator tried to bfr him and that didn't work.
The same way Onslaught and Thor did.Only that now he fighting someone with actual speed. Also he is fighting someone bloodlusted.
Also Superman isn't going to knock Hulk on his ass then pin him down like Onslaught and give a speech, then continue to pin Hulk down and let Hulk give a speech while he increases his 'anger'.
This is a ruthless Hulk and a ruthless Superman. Superman won't be thinking clearly and won't simply strategize. He will try to kill the Hulk by physically engaging him just like did against WW whom he thought was DD.
Hulk destroyed Onslaught's physical shell with a punch from on his back. Impressive, me thinks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has already fought someone with speed, Gladiator. Gladiator tried to bfr him and that didn't work.This is a ruthless Hulk and a ruthless Superman. Superman won't be thinking clearly and won't simply strategize. He will try to kill the Hulk by physically engaging him just like did against WW whom he thought was DD.
Hulk destroyed Onslaught's physical shell with a punch from on his back. Impressive, me thinks.
gladiator isn't superman, though. i mean, clark would never be caught dead in a mowhawk.
so you're handicapping superman for this fight?
ruthless doesn't always equal wild and full of rage. he's been ruthless before while being calm.
Still give Superman the win. Classic Thor while holding back just like he always does, was going toe to toe and gaining ground against Banerless/Mindless Hulk and sent him flying with one blow when he stopped fooling around.
A blood lusted Current Superman would do better against this Hulk than a Classic Thor that just wants him down and still holding back his power would.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has already fought someone with speed, Gladiator. Gladiator tried to bfr him and that didn't work.This is a ruthless Hulk and a ruthless Superman. Superman won't be thinking clearly and won't simply strategize. He will try to kill the Hulk by physically engaging him just like did against WW whom he thought was DD.
Hulk destroyed Onslaught's physical shell with a punch from on his back. Impressive, me thinks.
Lol nice child logic, but there is no BFR in this fight. Also we use KMC rules. Also Superman is bloodlusted. Meaning no hold Hulk on his back and give speeches.
Nice side step though. Seems your arguments are getting further and further away from reason(even by your standards.)
Originally posted by SpireSpire, I have cited comic books and explained my reasoning countless times. Superman is fighting in the mindset he fought against WW. Supes was out for the kill so he was quite dangerous.
😆You have no idea how hard you owned yourself in this thread.
Also seems you have abandoned all your previous 'imo' and 'nah uh' arguments. That is concession.
Originally posted by RaoulI am not handicapping either. I simply want them to fight it out. Supes has the mindset to not hld back to kill his opponent at all costs. Thinking Lois is dead won't allow him any rationale thought other than the immediate death of his opponent.
gladiator isn't superman, though. i mean, clark would never be caught dead in a mowhawk.so you're handicapping superman for this fight?
ruthless doesn't always equal wild and full of rage. he's been ruthless before while being calm.
This isn't a slugfest either. That would be handicapping Superman imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Spire, I have cited comic books and explained my reasoning countless times. Superman is fighting in the mindset he fought against WW. Supes was out for the kill so he was quite dangerous. I am not handicapping either. I simply want them to fight it out. Supes has the mindset to not hld back to kill his opponent at all costs. Thinking Lois is dead won't allow him any rationale thought other than the immediate death of his opponent.This isn't a slugfest either. That would be handicapping Superman imo.
he is being handicapped. Superman being some wild monster isn't doing him justice. he's a tactical fighter, always has been.
even when he decides not to hold back, he's still mindful of what he's doing.
Originally posted by RaoulHulk is mindless so to make this fair I made Superman as ruthless as possible with vengeance in his heart. Superman has seemed to have problems with mindless characters before such as Doomsday, but I think i fanything I strengthened Superman for this fight.
he is being handicapped. Superman being some wild monster isn't doing him justice. he's a tactical fighter, always has been.even when he decides not to hold back, he's still mindful of what he's doing.
Superman was a badass when he was out to kill WW. He wasn't doing any of that holding back nonsense. He only cared about DD's death. He wasn't fearful of anything at that point in time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Spire, I have cited comic books and explained my reasoning countless times. Superman is fighting in the mindset he fought against WW. Supes was out for the kill so he was quite dangerous.
Your missing the point. Your reasoning is wrong. Once you accept that you can move forward. Move forward to becoming a better person.
Also your 'imo' and 'nah uh' isn't the only thing wrong. It was your failure to understand an simple concept when you attempted to make your absolutely honest and fair thread.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They also fail to realize that it's not STRENGTH which makes the difference in Superman vs Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That would be handicapping Superman imo.
Not really.
Originally posted by SpireNo, it is supported by the comics and the mindset for this fight. You want to ignore those comics and go stricly by powersets while forgetting the character.
Your missing the point. Your reasoning is wrong. Once you accept that you can move forward. Move forward to becoming a better person.Also your 'imo' and 'nah uh' isn't the only wrong. It was your failure to understand an simple concept when you attempted to make your absolutely honest and fair thread.
Not really.
Yes, really.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it is supported by the comics and the mindset for this fight. You want to ignore those comics and go stricly by powersets while forgetting the character.Yes, really.
So lets see here...
We got a side step, 'nah uh', another side step, and your missing the point.
Again.