Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk is mindless so to make this fair I made Superman as ruthless as possible with vengeance in his heart. Superman has seemed to have problems with mindless characters before such as Doomsday, but I think i fanything I strengthened Superman for this fight.Superman was a badass when he was out to kill WW. He wasn't doing any of that holding back nonsense. He only cared about DD's death. He wasn't fearful of anything at that point in time.
he also wasn't fighting at full effectiveness. he's a tactical fighter. when he wants to really put someone down, he uses his full array of powers. he looks for weaknesses. he won't be doing that in this fight.
he's being handicapped.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What did I sidestep?
Logic, arguments and points that destroy yours.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are choosing to ignore the characters it's plain to see.
Not ignoring anything. It is quite sad that I should have to repeat myself over and over.
Speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on?
Based on Supes bloodlust and speed.
Based on how he did against Thor, who wasn't bloodlusted and doesn't have speed.
Based on the fact Onslaught knocked Hulk on his ass and pinned Hulk.
Based on the fact they both gave speeches while he was pinned which led to a Hulk amp.
Based on Onslaught had his armor cracked by Cyclops.
Originally posted by RaoulIf that's how you look at it fine. I took a mindless Hulk and pit him up against an extremely pissed off Superman.
he also wasn't fighting at full effectiveness. he's a tactical fighter. when he wants to really put someone down, he uses his full array of powers. he looks for weaknesses. he won't be doing that in this fight.he's being handicapped.
It's not like I pit WW Hulk up against this Superman. This Hulk is pretty much just a brawler and doesn't use strategy like say WW Hulk. I think it's fair.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If that's how you look at it fine. I took a mindless Hulk and pit him up against an extremely pissed off Superman.It's not like I pit WW Hulk up against this Superman. This Hulk is pretty much just a brawler and doesn't use strategy like say WW Hulk. I think it's fair.
you're still handicapping supes to make it fair, though.
Originally posted by SpireThe Superman I am using did use his speed. He flew right into WW and tried to throw her into the sun.
Logic, arguments and points that destroy yours.Not ignoring anything. It is quite sad that I should have to repeat myself over and over.
Speed.
Based on Supes bloodlust and speed.
Based on how he did against Thor, who wasn't bloodlusted and doesn't have speed.
Based on the fact Onslaught knocked Hulk on his ass and pinned Hulk.
Based on the fact they both gave speeches while he was pinned which led to a Hulk amp.
Based on Onslaught had his armor cracked by Cyclops.
Thor is vastly more powerful than Superman so I don't see how it's relevant. Onslaught was taking on marvel earth at that point in time. You act like breaking his shell was an easy job or something.
Characters give speeches in comics all the time. It's funny that this is your selling point.
Cyclops blasts are pretty powerful and it's pretty clear that Hulk was needed to completely destroy his entire shell.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Superman I am using did use his speed. He flew right into WW and tried to throw her into the sun.Thor is vastly more powerful than Superman so I don't see how it's relevant. Onslaught was taking on marvel earth at that point in time. You act like breaking his shell was an easy job or something.
Characters give speeches in comics all the time. It's funny that this is your selling point.
Cyclops blasts are pretty powerful and it's pretty clear that Hulk was needed to completely destroy his entire shell.
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Does WW have speed? Is there BFR in this fight?
Bullshits! Thor is not vastly more powerful then Superman. I can't blame you though... you really don't have any other options for a counter...
Ah yes, speeches... None of that will be happening here.
Cool, so Slim is Herald now.
Lol, Cyke cracked it with one blast. Hulk needed two amps. One to fight Onslaught, in which he ended up on his back pinned. Another with a plot device via speech.
Give me a break son. Stop posting.
Originally posted by SpireYes, she has speed. How would bfr work here anyways? Glads tried the same thing to Hulk and it didn't work.
😆Does WW have speed? Is there BFR in this fight?
Bullshits! Thor is not vastly more powerful then Superman. I can't blame you though... you really don't have any other options for a counter...
Ah yes, speeches... None of that will be happening here.
Cool, so Slim is Herald now.
Lol, Cyke cracked it with one blast. Hulk needed two amps. One to fight Onslaught, in which he ended up on his back pinned. Another with a plot device via speech.
Give me a break son. Stop posting.
Thor is a lot more powerful than Superman and his history proves it. He damaged a Celestial, ran off Galactus, oneshotted Durok, etc.
Cracking and destroying it completely are two entirely different things.
This Hulk needed his banner mind shut down and he did the rest. Hulk was angry the entire time and did what needed to be done.
Not likely. 🙂
Originally posted by xJLxKing
In a bigger battle field he can move, fly and use his powers much better. In a confined area, he is limited.
There's still plenty room to move and fly and use his powers....
He needs to be 500 feet away to use his heat vision? Superman can stay like 2 feet away from the Hulk at all time if he wants to.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Superman I am using did use his speed. He flew right into WW and tried to throw her into the sun.Thor is vastly more powerful than Superman so I don't see how it's relevant. Onslaught was taking on marvel earth at that point in time. You act like breaking his shell was an easy job or something.
Characters give speeches in comics all the time. It's funny that this is your selling point.
Cyclops blasts are pretty powerful and it's pretty clear that Hulk was needed to completely destroy his entire shell.
cyclops is powerful, but even his highest blast aint shit to someone with superman's durability.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have used a mindless Hulk. How fair is it to let someone use strategy against a bannerless Hulk.I think it's fair to let a strategizing Superman go up against WW Hulk who can also strategize.
fair or not, its still handicapping... 😬
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How? If Superman doesn't want to be hit, it doesn't matter if the cube is 20 feet or 100 feet in diameter.
context, dude... 😛
Originally posted by RaoulI never once claimed that Hulk could destroy Superman's body in the manner he did to Onslaught.
cyclops is powerful, but even his highest blast aint shit to someone with superman's durability.fair or not, its still handicapping... 😬
context, dude... 😛
Both are handicapped in a sense. Fair is letting them both strategize or neither do so.
This Superman isn't holding back and I think he's more dangerous than one who would strategize.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once claimed that Hulk could destroy Superman's body in the manner he did to Onslaught.Both are handicapped in a sense. Fair is letting them both strategize or neither do so.
This Superman isn't holding back and I think he's more dangerous than one who would strategize.
i never said you did. i'm just saying that cyclops being in this debate at all is dumb.
hulk even in wwh isn't half the strategist clark is.
he doesn't have to be mad not to hold back. he can strategise and still not hold back.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
There's still plenty room to move and fly and use his powers....He needs to be 500 feet away to use his heat vision? Superman can stay like 2 feet away from the Hulk at all time if he wants to.
Another good strategy which Superman does is charge at his opponent(like he did to Atlas) He needs to accelerate and hit him hard.
Originally posted by RaoulOk, but cyclops clearly wasn't enough to destroy Onslaught only Hulk was in this story.
i never said you did. i'm just saying that cyclops being in this debate at all is dumb.hulk even in wwh isn't half the strategist clark is.
he doesn't have to be mad not to hold back. he can strategise and still not hold back.
WWHulk didn't take one life in ww hulk despite all the damage he caused. He still is much more of a strategist than mindless Hulk is.
I have never seen a more ferocious Superman than in the WW fight. If you have any other ideas clue me in.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, but cyclops clearly wasn't enough to destroy Onslaught only Hulk was in this story.WWHulk didn't take one life in ww hulk despite all the damage he caused. He still is much more of a strategist than mindless Hulk is.
I have never seen a more ferocious Superman than in the WW fight. If you have any other ideas clue me in.
only hulk was? hulk didn't destroy onslaught.
that's nice, but he's still not exactly a tactical genius.
ferocious? no. ruthless? yes. he was also not nearly as powerful against wonder woman as he would be if he was creatively using his powers, which he would do.
Originally posted by RaoulI meant to destroy his shell. Cyclops wasn't powerful enough nor the other heroes gathered there to do so.
only hulk was? hulk didn't destroy onslaught.that's nice, but he's still not exactly a tactical genius.
ferocious? no. ruthless? yes. he was also not nearly as powerful against wonder woman as he would be if he was creatively using his powers, which he would do.
Most of the time Superman isn't either. To not take a single life during ww Hulk I'd say that qualifies as either the luckiest s.o.b. out there or a guy who knew exactly what he was doing while taking on all comers at the same time.
I think heatvisioning her and immediately trying to kill her by throwing her into the sun is a pretty good plan.
We have seen a million Hulk vs. Superman threads so I did what I did to make this one stand out.