Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Wasn't it mentioned in the beginning of the film that Pron were being affected by some type of virus which caused them to change in some unknown way?
Don't recall it being exactly that.
Said something like, when the hatch was cut open there were a million of them in very poor condition, due to malnutrition and disease.
Originally posted by Robtard
I think you'll enjoy it. Sure you'll notice the cheese, silliness and lacking parts (namely not delving deeper into why the aliens came to Earth and why they were initially stuck), but overall, it's a solid Sci-Fi with a social message.Spoiler:<--- don't read this until after you're seen the film.
The whole 20 years searching for fuel had flawsFrom what I've read, there is a lot more to this movie; the director just had to cut and slash it for allotted time, I'm hoping an extended version fills in where I found it lacking most. The whys and hows of the aliens.
Spoiler:
What was flawed about searching for liquid? That seemed perfectly rational to me. They said at the beginning o the movie that shit was falling off the ship and there was even that big shuttle that Mr. Engineer took down.And, to FotN. How do you KNOW they were a class 2 civilization? Sure, the had galactic travel ability. That one engineer was going to make a trip to their home planet (with 7 moons..and their home planet is most likely larger than Earth, explaining why the Prawn could move about on our Earth with relative ease....but that only explains why they might be able to move about for the first year. Unless their anatomy is so much different from life on Earth, they would lose their agility and strength advantage in about a year. So, it was either a failure in writing, or they left it in there to show how different their physiology was from ours.) rally some of his fellow aliens to save the stranded 2.4 million aliens, and come back to Earth in 3 years. That would put the travel time at faster than light. Alpha Centuri (no, not the poster) is 4 light years away, one direction. I also saw Steve Carell throughout the whole film. "FOCK FOCK FOCK FOCKERS FOCKING FOCKITY FOCK FOCK!" However, I can see why they chose Copley to play Wilkus. He is a better dramatic actor. The way he was rabidly going after that burger joints food was really well done by Carell. I believed what he was doing. He looked like a desperate human fighting to survive with the quick jerky inset like movements of an alien.
And, after watching the film, it looks like there was a massive malfunction on the mothership. Robtard, what you said about collecting liquid may actually be incorrect. They had technology within conceptual reach of our own. Holographic displays (we can do that already), sonic weaponry (we already have items similar to that...just not as powerful), long reach flame throwers (we have some like that already...just our canister is MUCH bigger than the alien's canister), Mech walkers with arm mounted weapons (believe it or not, we could actually make that thing already. We have self righting robotics programs already. We really for real have all the technology needed, now, to make a walker like that. It used hydrolics to move it's major limbs, used some sort of engine in the back, etc. The only thing we couldn't do is connect the mind with the Mech so well, and build that gravity manipulator, and that lightening flesh disintegrator, and holographic HUD. However, everything else we could build, such as the high caliber rounds, the walker itself, the program for the walker to self right. In fact, we could build a better program for self righting compared to that walker. As far as the energy required, well....we'd have to strap on a big ass engine...unless battery technology improves, we wouldn't be able to send that thing very far. I would put the aliens at a littler over a class 1 civilization. Not very far of from humans. The only thing they had in significant margins over humans was their FTL travel. Even their DNA responsive weapons are being developed as we speak. In fact, we are probably going to move past DNA and go to better things such as finger and thumb prints. They already have hadn guns that communicate wirelessly...at least in the lab.
In conclusion, my opinion on why they got stranded: there was a massive computer failure of the main computer. It took 20 years of restorative work from that Engineering alien to reprogram the computers and collect the necessary liquid to power his transport ship. He even used human computers to assist with the reprogramming. He might have even been the engineer, as in a train engineer. It's quite obvious that there WAS a different class of alien, among their species. I never saw that part about the leaders leaving, though. I'm not sure what Robtard was talking about. It's possible that these were lower class citizens from the Alien home planet. Highly likely the that writer was trying to convey a caste type system that is similar in some insects. And, the aliens were very unique in appearance. I give them mad props for doing such a great job in making them look unique. I found the small anterior thoracic vestigial appendages quite indicative of how unique they made the species. If people paid close attention, that would bring their total limb count to 6, rather similar to insects. AHA!
I did NOT like the Jerky camera movement from the beginning of the film. That was amateurish. No well trained cameraman is that shitty with a camera. I'M not that shitty with a camera. I HATE that cinematographic style. HATE....IT! It's the stupidest bullshit anyone can do. I worked for Cloverfield because the dude that started out with the camera WAS a friggin amateur. Note to Hollywood: Don't do the jerky camera bullshit when the person holding the camera is supposed to be a professional; it just makes the movie experience shittier, especially if the audience knows better.
Still. A solid film. I give it an 8.
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Originally posted by Mairuzu
All they said was that the smarter/leaders were killed off by some virus
I don't remember this. Had to have been said at the beginning.
Originally posted by dadudemon
[spoiler]And, to FotN. How do you KNOW they were a class 2 civilization? Sure, the had galactic travel ability. That one engineer was going to make a trip to their home planet (with 7 moons..and their home planet is most likely larger than Earth, explaining why the Prawn could move about on our Earth with relative ease....but that only explains why they might be able to move about for the first year. Unless their anatomy is so much different from life on Earth, they would lose their agility and strength advantage in about a year. So, it was either a failure in writing, or they left it in there to show how different their physiology was from ours.)
My bad, I meant that they were a type 1 civilization. We humans would be type 0.
But if you want to know, according to the Kardashev scale, and we're theoretically speaking here, "a Type 1 civilization must master space travel". Not what we do, which is go into (limited) orbit. On top of not having mastered space travel at all anyway, so.
And with that the film clearly shows (near the ending) how capable they were of just that. Multi-galactic space travel.
I usually feel ill pretty quick during such camera work and had no problems at all throughout the entire film.
Thought it was very good, the only negative for me was his over the top usage of fook. It was indeed fook and not f**k, it's a milder form that some people use or not counted at all. I just felt that this was all he seemed to say a lot of the time... apart from that, had no problem with the lead actor at all, he just has a very very deep Afrikaan accent(accounts for the fook too for some people). Nothing comedic about it.
I loved the scene where they
Spoiler:. Excellent scene.
forced him to fire the alien weapons
Film did not disappoint.
Originally posted by dadudemonYeah. I saw it again myself to see if he really said that and yes he does. At least something very similarI don't remember this. Had to have been said at the beginning.
edit: My favorite scene was when the "mecha walker" grabbed all the bullets. At first i had no idea wtf it was doing
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
My bad, I meant that they were a type 1 civilization. We humans would be type 0.
We are almost type 1.
And "type" is based on how much energy we harvest relative to planet, local star system, and galaxy: not specifically technology.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But if you want to know, according to the Kardashev scale, and we're theoretically speaking here, "a Type 1 civilization must master space travel". Not what we do, which is go into (limited) orbit. On top of not having mastered space travel at all anyway, so.
I've never read that Kardeshev said a Type 1 must do what you said, above.
Here's the entire quote:
"By definition, an advanced civilization must grow faster than the frequency of life-threatening catastrophes. Since large meteor and comet impacts take place once every few thousand years, a Type I civilization must master space travel to deflect space debris within that time frame, which should not be much of a problem. Ice ages may take place on a time scale of tens of thousands of years, so a Type I civilization must learn to modify the weather within that time frame."
You've taken it out of context. It's to deflect civilization destroying comets and meteors.
Also, I don't believe those are Kardashev's words at all, are they?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And with that the film clearly shows (near the ending) how capable they were of just that. Multi-galactic space travel.
No, it did NOT show that the ship was intergalactic capable.
I saw this today and I loved it.
Best sci-fi this year, IMO.
Thought there would be more of an "Alien Nation" flavour, when I first saw the trailer, but was well surprised and rivetted all the way nonetheless.
Great scenario/premise, unusual location, gripping plot, unique feeling Human characters, great Alien characters/weapons, some body horror genre influences, asskicking action, incredible violence, great special effects, funny bits, sad bits and a fairly definite ending that doesnt exclude a sequel, but leaves it open to just being left there, perfectly well.
Worth the wait from the trailer, and a solid night out.
Most impressive.
9/10
Originally posted by Robtard
If he want's Science-Horror, should do something similar to the game Dead Space, that had a decent theme to base a movie (loosely) off of.
Not played that yet, yet the demos look f***ing amazing.
Could they do it as a movie though, without being a generic Aliens/Event Horizon palm off , when translated to film...?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I saw this today and I loved it.
Best sci-fi this year, IMO.Thought there would be more of an "Alien Nation" flavour, when I first saw the trailer, but was well surprised and rivetted all the way nonetheless.
Great scenario/premise, unusual location, gripping plot, unique feeling Human characters, great Alien characters/weapons, some body horror genre influences, asskicking action, incredible violence, great special effects, funny bits, sad bits and a fairly definite ending that doesnt exclude a sequel, but leaves it open to just being left there, perfectly well.Worth the wait from the trailer, and a solid night out.
Most impressive.
9/10
WOW!
That's an even higher rating than I gave it.
I gave it an 8 out of 10.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not played that yet, yet the demos look f***ing amazing.
Could they do it as a movie though, without being a generic Aliens/Event Horizon palm off , when translated to film...?
I might be able to get you a copy, friend's brother has it and doesn't play it any more. I'll inquire if he wants to release it for you.
That'd be f***ing sweet!
That is uber considerate, man..!
In return for that you may have England...! 🙂
(It should neatly fit into your garage. Although, there is often rain over England, so I'd keep it in the corner away from any stowed electrical hardware/sun loungers/barbeque equipment that you dont want to rust/get soggy.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
We are almost type 1.And "type" is based on how much energy we harvest relative to planet, local star system, and galaxy: not specifically technology.
I've never read that Kardeshev said a Type 1 must do what you said, above.
Here's the entire quote:
"By definition, an advanced civilization must grow faster than the frequency of life-threatening catastrophes. Since large meteor and comet impacts take place once every few thousand years, a Type I civilization must master space travel to deflect space debris within that time frame, which should not be much of a problem. Ice ages may take place on a time scale of tens of thousands of years, so a Type I civilization must learn to modify the weather within that time frame."
You've taken it out of context. It's to deflect civilization destroying comets and meteors.
Also, I don't believe those are Kardashev's words at all, are they?
No, it did NOT show that the ship was intergalactic capable.
We are almost a Type 1 civilization. We won't see the the change in our lifetime. But humanity is almost there. On that galacticcivilizations.org website, and according to Physicist Freeman Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Study, he estimates that within 200 years or so humanity should attain Type I status. 3,200 years to reach Type II status, and 5,800 years to reach Type III status.
And as far as "type" yes it is ranked by engry consumption but technology goes hand in hand with it all. You'll need advanced tecnologies to extract planatary energies in the way a type I civilization does.
And i haven't taken anything out of context. A type I civilization will be able to, "without a problem", as the text says, deflect planet threatening, spacial debris. And the only way said civilization would be able to do that is through, and because of, space travel mastery.
And the ship did show that it was capable of intergalactic travel. If you pay close attention, towards the end, when Christoper boarded the mothership and turned on it's engines, you'll see that he summons up a floating holographic map display showing dozens of galaxies, where he picked one via air touching it, while hurriedly setting coordinates trying to get the hell outta there as fast as possible. And once he was done the ship seemingly went on auto pilot and left..
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
We are almost a Type 1 civilization. We won't see the the change in our lifetime. But humanity is almost there.
I disagree. We will see it within our lifetime, possibly in the next 30 years.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
On that galacticcivilizations.org website, and according to Physicist Freeman Dyson of the Institute for Advanced Study, he estimates that within 200 years or so humanity should attain Type I status. 3,200 years to reach Type II status, and 5,800 years to reach Type III status.
And I disagree with Dyson. We very well could hit the singularity and reach type III in mere decades.
We could also finally start using all of that delicious energy from the sun. We are already hitting 60-80 efficient photoelectric cell efficiency in labs. In another decade, they could be common place and it would solve (it SHOULD solve) all energy problems...couple that with battery technology improvements such as super capacitors, and we have ourselves some awesome energy solutions.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And as far as "type" yes it is ranked by engry consumption but technology goes hand in hand with it all. You'll need advanced tecnologies to extract planatary energies in the way a type I civilization does.
The technologies are a by-product for the need of the additional energy to support the civilization. That's the point of the scale. And, no, if a species discovers 90% efficient solar technology in their nascent industrial age, they'd very quickly launch themselves into a type I civilization from a .50 civilization. The scale won't always be virtually linear for all species.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And i haven't taken anything out of context. A type I civilization will be able to, "without a problem", as the text says, deflect planet threatening, spacial debris. And the only way said civilization would be able to do that is through, and because of, space travel mastery.
No, you did take it out of context. You misrepresented another person's perspective on the Kardashev's scale. You left it as mastering space travel. That was out of contest and vague. In context, it is mastering space travel to the point of being able to take care of incoming comets and meteors. We can almost do that now. All it takes is a crisis and we will develop technologies enough to take care of it. You are aware that there's a NASA program out there already that works on just that?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And the ship did show that it was capable of intergalactic travel. If you pay close attention, towards the end, when Christoper boarded the mothership and turned on it's engines, you'll see that he summons up a floating holographic map display showing dozens of galaxies, where he picked one via air touching it, while hurriedly setting coordinates trying to get the hell outta there as fast as possible. And once he was done the ship seemingly went on auto pilot and left..
If you're right, I'll swing from your nuts.
However, I saw different star systems, not galaxies.