Originally posted by AstnerFirst off, to be a fact it has to be objective.
And I bet there are many people who prefer Wolverine's stories over Thanos' and Mandrakk's.
What does that mean?
It means shit.
The greatest story IN DC, may be Superman's,
but that shit surely means nothing to other companies.
Because in that case,
if all it takes are the greatest stories of respective comic book companies ...
then even Spiderman, Hulk, or freakin Solar, ... I mean take your pick,
stomp Mandrakk.
And the bottom line is, if this Mandrakk character is solely based on this concept,
then it doesn't belong in vs forums with other companies.
Trickster was right,
this Mandrakk nonsense needs to be banned from vs forums for said sound reason.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Man's got a point.The greatest story IN DC, may be Superman's,
but that shit surely means nothing to other companies.Because in that case,
if all it takes are the greatest stories of respective comic book companies ...
then even Spiderman, Hulk, or freakin Solar, ... I mean take your pick,
stomp Mandrakk.And the bottom line is, if this Mandrakk character is solely based on this concept,
then it doesn't belong in vs forums with other companies.Trickster was right,
this Mandrakk nonsense needs to be banned from vs forums for said sound reason.
did you even read the comic?
Originally posted by AstnerI don't think you (along with several others) seem to understand that personal preference toward a story, has nothing to do with who can overcome Mandrakk - that would be FAR too subjective. You see, Superman wasn't able to beat him because real world readers (or even comic characters) like his story better - he was able to do so because within DC comics, Superman's story is simply > all others (on a creation-wide scale.) There's no reason/rhyme, it just IS.
First off, to be a fact it has to be objective.And I bet there are many people who prefer Wolverine's stories over Thanos' and Mandrakk's. What does that mean? It means shit.
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As Mxy said:
"Superman is the linchpin to everything."
As Alex Luthor said:
"Everything comes from Superman."
THAT is the basic concept that needs to be kept in mind.
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Furthermore, a better story than his own is not the only reason for Mandrakk's defeat (far from it, in fact.) A better story was merely the catalyst which sufficiently powered the Cosmic Armor, and enabled Superman to eventually adapt/overcome Mandrakk's "eternal power."
(ie.) the most powerful story in creation + a conceptual armor designed by Mandrakk himself, capable of adapting to counter any threat > Mandrakk... If one of these elements is lacking, one cannot hope to beat Mandrakk.
It really cannot be broken down any easier then that.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think you (along with several others) seem to understand that personal preference toward a story, has nothing to do with who can overcome Mandrakk - that would be FAR too subjective. You see, Superman wasn't able to beat him because real world readers (or even comic characters) like his story better - he was able to do so because within DC comics, Superman's story is simply > all others (on a creation-wide scale.) There's no reason/rhyme, it just IS.----
As Mxy said:
"Superman is the linchpin to everything."As Alex Luthor said:
"Everything comes from Superman."THAT is the basic concept that needs to be kept in mind.
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Furthermore, a better story than his own is not the only reason for Mandrakk's defeat (far from it, in fact.) A better story was merely the catalyst which sufficiently powered the Cosmic Armor, and enabled Superman to eventually adapt/overcome Mandrakk's "eternal power."
(ie.) the most powerful story in creation + a conceptual armor designed by Mandrakk himself, capable of adapting to counter any threat > Mandrakk... If one of these elements is lacking, one cannot hope to beat Mandrakk.
It really cannot be broken down any easier then that.
That is a very good breakdown Galan. My question is.. regardless if that is the case in DC how does that pertain to a marvel character? Especially one that has better on panel feats? Thanos IMO could do whatever he wanted to Mandrakk. Madrakk ISN'T as powerful as the PM which imo would be equivalent to Thanos. So, how exactly is Mandrakk going to win this battle... please don't say Eat Thanos's story because that is just silly and second as pointed out Thanos could call up She-hulk and rip up any story with Mandrakk and thus Thanos wins.
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Originally posted by Galan007A better story was merely the catalyst which sufficiently powered the Cosmic Armor, and enabled Superman to eventually adapt/overcome Mandrakk's "eternal power."
(ie.) the most powerful story in creation + a conceptual armor designed by Mandrakk himself, capable of adapting to counter any threat > Mandrakk... If one of these elements is lacking, one cannot hope to beat Mandrakk.
It really cannot be broken down any easier then that.
Originally posted by Kris Blazerealize that this does only apply to the DC universe....
Originally posted by Galan007
What I said applies to any character. Understand that a Marvel character's story isn't necessarily better than Superman's, just because you think it is.ermm
I never saw that stated anywhere. It's not about a Marvel story being better then Superman... It's about Mandrakk eating a story and only a story better then his beating him applies only to DC. He's not eating any Marvel story he wants as that only applies to DC and what their writers decide is the point. Him coming over to Marvel and eating whatever story he wants and thus beating anybody he wants is laughable.
Originally posted by Galan007And it isn't necessarily worse...
What I said applies to any character. Understand that a Marvel character's story isn't necessarily better than Superman's, just because you think it is.ermm
The concept of Mandrakk's power and the reasoning behind his defeat only works within the confines of DC.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou keep bringing up Mandrakk eating someone's story as though I said anything close to that. srsly
I never saw that stated anywhere. It's not about a Marvel story being better then Superman... It's about Mandrakk eating a story and only a story better then his beating him applies only to DC. He's not eating any Marvel story he wants as that only applies to DC and what their writers decide is the point. Him coming over to Marvel and eating whatever story he wants and thus beating anybody he wants is laughable.
And please remember that this fight would take place in a neutral universe. That said, Mandrakk's power would be equally as effective in Marvel as it was in DC.
This is also the reason why I agree that he (along with a few others) should not be allowed in versus battles. He is simply too powerful.
Originally posted by Galan007
You keep bringing up Mandrakk eating someone's story as though I said anything close to that. srslyAnd please remember that this fight would take place in a neutral universe. That said, Mandrakk's power would be equally as effective in Marvel as it was in DC. This is also the reason why I agree that he (along with a few others) should not be allowed in versus battles. He is simply too powerful.
Yet he was defeated by Superman in CA and some Green Laterns.... yes ooo yes he's TOO powerful. If you want to ban characters that are too powerful you should start with Thanos w/THOTI which feats poops all over Mandrakk. So, please explain to me how Mandrakk's power is equal in a neutral universe as it is in the confines of a DC universe?People can claim the only way he was defeated was because of a better story this and that... yet he was defeated while Thanos never was or was even close to being defeated. Mandrakk too powerful... haha. So, what would stop Thanos from bringing back she-hulk for the battle and at which time she rips up anything to do with mandrakk and his eating of stories? Even less characters then Thanos could do so yet what would Mandrakk do about that since we're playing these eating/tearing up stories game? Mandrakk origins and power is very specific to DC and DC ALONE. Yet somehow in a neutral universe he has the same power... makes sense to me...