Originally posted by carver9
leonidas, this is to help you out, give you brief info on wolverines speed. If i were you, I'll go to a nearby comic store and start buying some of his books, actually getting knowledge, hes a great character, you would love him.faster than the eye could see
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpgPsylock couldnt even keep track of wolverine and sabertooth and she has speed and is a amazing telepath
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpgFaster than the eye could see
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpgAfter images
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpgIf you would like some more proof, I dont mind helping.
Let's see.
One of those scans are from Earth X, and Psylocke was injured in that incident. Telepathy doesn't give you great reaction time, and that was FAR FAR FAR prior to betsy getting her training.
Originally posted by d3str0ya10
as far as i know thor has no healing ability and even if thor hit them they're bones are laced with adamantium so the hit wouldn't completly soak in. so if they even touch him with anything they got thor could be in trouble. no healing factor around wolvie or sabes= you die.
Thor has a healing factor - This is why you read Thor comics before making stupid claims.
Any punch he lays on Sabretooth and Wolverine is bound to send them flying hundreds of miles.
Originally posted by carver9sentry wasn't trying in the slightest, you can see the ease and relaxation in his face, while wolverines is in a fury. How do you know wolverine couldn't cut sentry? that was never stated in the fight, nor did he even get the chance to try.
First thing, he wasnt taken out easily, second thing wolverine healing factor was damped due to him fighting namor, just surviving an inferno where his flesh was burned completely off, hell, jumped out of a plane, cloud height, I could keep going about what happened.Then you fail to realize that WOLVERINE COULD NOT PIERCE SENTRY, if wolverine was able to cut through sentry, the fight wouldnt have been as lopsided as it was. Did you even read anything before the sentry fight involving wolverine. 😕
when was it stated that wolverine was weakened. he healed from all of those injuries just fine without ever thinking/stating it was starting to tax him.
Originally posted by carver9according to srank, lunging would give up his "speed advantage" seeing as when daken lunged at bor and was put down it that was their explanation.
Thunderclaps doesnt work, wolverine has stood up to them without even flinching. 😕Whats stopping wolverine from lunging at thor with his equal or superior combat speed chopping his head off.
Originally posted by jinzinno evidence of wolverine being weakened at all, part of the healing factor gives him increased stamina, if what you're saying is true wolverine is ALWAYS in a weakened state seeing currently he participates in several different teams simultaneously and takes part in several battles with these teams.
We've done this dance.. Wolverine was nearly beheaded and lost massive amounts of arterial blood... Seriously, you have no idea whatsoever how fast one can bleed out through the neck do you?On top of that Sentry smashed Wolverine twice and was pushing his claws into his hands...
Sentry apparently can't be cut by Wolverine's claws and was fighting a worn Wolverine...
Thor doesn't have that luxury.... I like how you focus on this Sentry fight ignoring all context and Wolverine's typical performance vs. C100 strength..... But hey, it's what you do afterall. 😉Daken uncharacteristically fought like a chump berserker.. which he has never been portrayed to be.... way to go. 🙄
and there isn't evidence that wolverine can't cut him, he didnt even get the chance too, and you're comparing Thor to an average brick wen he has demonstrated super speed as well as combat prowess many times through his history.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Liar?
Discuss.
..what the hell is that supposed to prove? Oh what a suprise Wolverine was weakened again... **** sake.
I swear ta God everytime Wolverine gets wounded FEGUDDABOUTIT!! Hell I cant believe that the guy is actually even talking about injuries that he recieved while in actual combat....incredible.
Damn im not even sure if Sentry was pushing Wolverines claws into his hands.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
..what the hell is that supposed to prove? Oh what a suprise Wolverine was weakened again... **** sake.I swear ta God everytime Wolverine gets wounded FEGUDDABOUTIT!! Hell I cant believe that the guy is actually even talking about injuries that he recieved while in actual combat....incredible.
Damn im not even sure if Sentry was pushing Wolverines claws into his hands.
Okay but are you going to sit here and argue Wolverine can't take class 100 shots from Thor? Because you know his career is littered with him doing just that.
Trying to compare the Sentry vs. Logan incident is about as credible as apples to Oranges trying to compare it to Thor... It's downright negatable if you're going to try to use it to say Wolverine can't take class 100 shots because that's where the CONTEXT comes in. Unless of course your convinced that being completely bled out wouldn't have an effect on his performance.
though of course
I know you like to ignore that as often as humanly possible...
Originally posted by Trackz
saying I know more about current thor doesn't mean I know nothing about classic thor.
The current incarnation of Thor has less than 20 appearances, and he hasn't really done all that much. If you know more about Current Thor than Classic Thor, then you don't know much about Thor in general...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
..what the hell is that supposed to prove? Oh what a suprise Wolverine was weakened again... **** sake.I swear ta God everytime Wolverine gets wounded FEGUDDABOUTIT!! Hell I cant believe that the guy is actually even talking about injuries that he recieved while in actual combat....incredible.
Damn im not even sure if Sentry was pushing Wolverines claws into his hands.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about or how it relates to my post...
Originally posted by srankmissingninI'm more familiar with current thor's abilities, that still doesn't mean I know nothing about classic thor. My statement still holds that he has had evidence of his superspeed throughout his history, which is being ignored.
The current incarnation of Thor has less than 20 appearances, and he hasn't really done all that much. If you know more about Current Thor than Classic Thor, then you don't know much about Thor in general...
Originally posted by jinzin
😐Okay at what point do Wolverine and Sabretooth doing these same types of feats NOT become as impressive? 😕
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where did i say they weren't impressive? i'm referring to SUSTAINED superspeed motion. that's what that trench feat showed. and yes, with focus and effort, logan has tagged QS, but he is by no means capable of those speeds himself. thor dug a trench down a friggin mountain. logan has some great parrying feats and movement feats, but it's you who is downplaying that speed demonstration my friend.
here again he is fast enough to catch ADAM WARLOCK'S staff in mid swing:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
"fast as lightning". you think he's fast enough to catch adam's staff in mid-swing, but can't grab logan's wrists and hurl him into orbit?
Thor was able to dig out a trail for lava at speed "almost" faster than human eyes could track... at what point is that more impressive than moving flat out faster than the eye can see?
it's the length of the display and the actions he undertook that make it impressive. warlock says he's as fast as lightning. he's having no problem hitting surfer OR warlock. i don't think we need to talk about how fast THOSE 2 are.
Something Wolverine has done multitudes of times.... Stated by onlookers, by narrative, and by other superhumans..
so show me a comparable act.
He's carried on full conversations while moving at the speed of a blur.
actually that is something i would like to see if you got the scan handy.
How you can come to the conclussion that the single greatest overall sheer speed feat Thor's ever produced easily puts him > Wolverine and Sabretooth who have more speed feats and have them more consistently in combat is quite beyond me.
thor's speed has been remarked upon and demonstrated many times. he regularly battles guys like gladiator and surfer and hyperion who operate on the levels of light speed. you think if he was as slow as you want to make him out to be he'd ever even HIT one of them? or is that all PIS?
It's also baffling when it's NOT > Wolverine and Tooth by sheer definition of "almost".
thor blocks laser fire from glads after it's fired by spinning his hammer. you think that kind of combat motion is NOT faster than the eye can follow? and you're baffled?
Wolverine's blocked lazer fire with his claws.. That's vastly more impressive than spinning a MAGIC hammer very fast...
vastly? thor needs to first raise then spin the hammer. that's 2 actions to logan's one. and who cares if the hammer is magic? you think it raises and spins itself . . .? 😕
Maybe you would like to show me this version of Thor because out of all my years of reading comics I must have missed him....
unfortunately, he generally only comes out when he has been stripped of all his powers and is fighting 2 guys who can hack him to death.
As I remember, Thor has repeatedily had issues going h2h with characters like Thing, Hulk, and Namor.
and he has also basically one-shotted ben and one-shotted namor. as i recall, logan as had issues with them a time or 2 as well . . . what exactly is to stop thor (who is MUCH faster than tha wrecker) from doing the exact same thing to logan as the wrecker did? except, this time, instead landing in another city, he . . . doesn't land.
He's been put on the defensive and caught off balance by Cap's speed on at least 4 occasions.
and? you make it sound like it's impossible for thor to hit him or something. i won't bother to list the slower opponents who've tagged logan. no point.
Wasn't Gladiator's speed advantage one of the reasons Thor gets put into comprimising positions when they fight? I think so.
not really. it's more thor's always thinking glads is a friend and being caught off-guard that is the issue. when battle starts, against guys who REGULARLY display LIGHTSPEED combat feats and reactions, thor does just fine.
It's acedemic that if super speed was part of his arsenal to the degree you're assuming.. he would resort to it more often, than ONCE..... "ALMOST"..... during his entire career. 😬
it HAS been shown more than once. he can use his hammer to travel 3x lightspeed. clearly he can react and perceive motion at speeds so far beyond logan it's silly. hela has said he's as quick as the lightning he commands. surtur as said much the same. warlock too. why doesn't he showcase it more? shrug maybe cuz he's a god and generally doesn't need to resort to the style of battle logan does? doesn't mean we disregard the evidence we DO possess.
fighting like a brick, he loses. fighting using the powers he has displayed, he wins more often than not imo.
And Captain America moves with swiftness of light and punches with the power of an atom bomb! *gasp* 🙄
Character commentary isn't a stand in for actually being able to accomplish something... especially when the commentary is something as ambiguous as "he's as fast as lightning!" Thor doesn't have any combat speed feats, they don't exist and examples of him spinning his hammer really fast (which - according to Thor in his fight with Mongoose - is all the hammer anyway), and flight speed don't help your case in the slightest.
With the alleged "abundance" of Thor combat speed feats that have been "referenced," so far in this thread, that would *apparently* be impossible for even a casual reader of Thor to miss... it certainly seems odd that no one has been able to mention one specifically, and not a single of these apparently numerous feats have made it into a single one of Thor's respect threads...
odd
