Originally posted by srankmissingninTaken on Tony, Surtur, Destroyer, Super Skrull w/ Stormbreaker, and Bor.
The current incarnation of Thor has less than 20 appearances, and he hasn't really done all that much. If you know more about Current Thor than Classic Thor, then you don't know much about Thor in general...
I'd say that's pretty good to not even have 20 comics yet.
Originally posted by Trackz
no evidence of wolverine being weakened at all, part of the healing factor gives him increased stamina,
This has ALSO already been explained to you several times.
If Wolverine has to heal massive damage his body is weakened, it does not run on infinity and the fact that you think it does provides enough proof to show just how inept you are with this character.
Originally posted by Trackz
if what you're saying is true wolverine is ALWAYS in a weakened state seeing currently he participates in several different teams simultaneously and takes part in several battles with these teams.
Originally posted by Trackz
and there isn't evidence that wolverine can't cut him, he didnt even get the chance too, and you're comparing Thor to an average brick wen he has demonstrated super speed as well as combat prowess many times through his history.
The hell are you talking about? Sentry grabbed ahold of his claws outright and started forcing them in on Wolverine's forearms... He can't cut him...
Thor:
He hasn't provided super speed in combat.. Perhaps you would like to show me otherwise, because the only instance I can even think of that would secure one into such a delusion was when Thor curbed Fenris and Loki at the same time. The same Fenris and Loki who were getting embarrassed by Cap. 😐
His combat prowess is competent but it's still proven inferior to Hercs in h2h and Cap's by far in h2h. It's not up for debate.
Seriously, do you EVER engage in a debate you know anything about?
Originally posted by leonidas
🤨where did i say they weren't impressive? i'm referring to SUSTAINED superspeed motion. that's what that trench feat showed. and yes, with focus and effort, logan has tagged QS, but he is by no means capable of those speeds himself. thor dug a trench down a friggin mountain. logan has some great parrying feats and movement feats, but it's you who is downplaying that speed demonstration my friend.
Originally posted by leonidas
here again he is fast enough to catch ADAM WARLOCK'S staff in mid swing:http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
"fast as lightning". you think he's fast enough to catch adam's staff in mid-swing, but can't grab logan's wrists and hurl him into orbit?
And..... Warrior Madness? Really? I should think that were that a stip in this fight it would drastically change the outcome... 😐
Originally posted by leonidas
it's the length of the display and the actions he undertook that make it impressive. warlock says he's as fast as lightning. he's having no problem hitting surfer OR warlock. i don't think we need to talk about how fast THOSE 2 are.
And again, Warrior Madness... it's not a stipulation here.
Originally posted by leonidas
so show me a comparable act.
Originally posted by leonidas
actually that is something i would like to see if you got the scan handy.
Okay my mistake I guess Wolverine wasn't actually talking.
Originally posted by leonidas
thor's speed has been remarked upon and demonstrated many times. he regularly battles guys like gladiator and surfer and hyperion who operate on the levels of light speed. you think if he was as slow as you want to make him out to be he'd ever even HIT one of them? or is that all PIS?
Thor uses magic and powers he doesn't have here to win or take an advantage in THOSE fights. When Gladiator turned his speed on Thor got the boots.
When Thor obliterated Surfer it was with Warrior Madness.
MOST OF THE TIME, bricks fight Thor like bricks and he does the same in turn.. again.. quick? Sure. In WM definitely. To the degree you think on a regular basis? HELL.. NO...
Not at least for classic Thor, current's a different story.
Originally posted by leonidas
thor blocks laser fire from glads after it's fired by spinning his hammer. you think that kind of combat motion is NOT faster than the eye can follow? and you're baffled?
Originally posted by leonidasYes because he not only had the reaction time to block the lasers but the accuracy to block multiple lasers individually with his claws at the same time.
vastly? thor needs to first raise then spin the hammer. that's 2 actions to logan's one. and who cares if the hammer is magic? you think it raises and spins itself . . .? 😕
As soon as the hammer's given momentum or put in use magic comes into play it doesn't help your case. 😬
Both have reacted to lasers but Thor's reactions are the only ones that matter based on a lack of effeciency? Yeah, that makes sense.
Originally posted by leonidas
unfortunately, he generally only comes out when he has been stripped of all his powers and is fighting 2 guys who can hack him to death.
Originally posted by leonidas
and he has also basically one-shotted ben and one-shotted namor. as i recall, logan as had issues with them a time or 2 as well . . . what exactly is to stop thor (who is MUCH faster than tha wrecker) from doing the exact same thing to logan as the wrecker did? except, this time, instead landing in another city, he . . . doesn't land.
I dunno, the fact that Logan isn't going to be swinging for a crowbar? Oh and that his teammate isn't going to be throwing out attacks that can generally be ignored 😕
Originally posted by leonidas
and? you make it sound like it's impossible for thor to hit him or something. i won't bother to list the slower opponents who've tagged logan. no point.
I never stated nor implied that he can't touch either one of these guys... IMO it'd be a decent fight but he'd lose the majority.
Originally posted by leonidasWho regularly display it, until they start fighting like a brick... and please two of those fight examples happened while the brawl was already underway.
not really. it's more thor's always thinking glads is a friend and being caught off-guard that is the issue. when battle starts, against guys who REGULARLY display LIGHTSPEED combat feats and reactions, thor does just fine.
Originally posted by leonidas
it HAS been shown more than once. he can use his hammer to travel 3x lightspeed. clearly he can react and perceive motion at speeds so far beyond logan it's silly. hela has said he's as quick as the lightning he commands. surtur as said much the same. warlock too. why doesn't he showcase it more? shrug maybe cuz he's a god and generally doesn't need to resort to the style of battle logan does? doesn't mean we disregard the evidence we DO possess.
Oh god, here we go with travel = to combat speed.....
IT ISN'T....
ust because you can drive at 120 miles an hour doesn't mean you're going to be able to pluck 30mph arrows out of the air.
The evidence we DO possess has Thor being put in defensive fights against everyone I previously listed, has Odin Powered Thor resorting to energy projection against Wolverine with no ungodly speed/reaction time to speak of, has Wolverine clearly able to harm him, and him impressed (an understatment) by the speed, skill, and tactical ability to a guy like Cap to a point that he lost a fight against him.....
So... I guess we DO disregard it if your going to ignore that for Thor's feats while under the influence of Warrior Madness.
Originally posted by leonidasHe hasn't displayed em in h2h so it's hardly anything the team flar wouldn't be able to deal with.
fighting like a brick, he loses. fighting using the powers he has displayed, he wins more often than not imo.
This is basically a less powerful version of Herc. vs this team..... It's not nearly what you're making it out to be. (well classic anyways, again, dunno about current. )
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
With the alleged "abundance" of Thor combat speed feats that have been "referenced," so far in this thread, that would *apparently* be impossible for even a casual reader of Thor to miss... it certainly seems odd that no one has been able to mention one specifically, and not a single of these apparently numerous feats have made it into a single one of Thor's respect threads...odd
Well there was that time Bor punched an airborne Daken and Thor got his head smashed into the pavement by him... ZOMG THE SPEEDSZZE
Then there was the time Thor ALMOST moved faster than the human eye could track. DAYUM I hope you were sitting down for that one.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Captain America moves with swiftness of light and punches with the power of an atom bomb! *gasp* 🙄Character commentary isn't a stand in for actually being able to accomplish something... especially when the commentary is something as ambiguous as "he's as fast as lightning!" Thor doesn't have any combat speed feats, they don't exist and examples of him spinning his hammer really fast (which - according to Thor in his fight with Mongoose - is all the hammer anyway), and flight speed don't help your case in the slightest.
OH SNAP! I totally spaced about Mongoose... Just another one of Thor's bewildering displays of cambat speed I guess. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
Okay but are you going to sit here and argue Wolverine can't take class 100 shots from Thor? Because you know his career is littered with him doing just that.
Im pretty sure it does and in some cases maybe not.
Originally posted by jinzin
Trying to compare the Sentry vs. Logan incident is about as credible as apples to Oranges trying to compare it to Thor... It's downright negatable if you're going to try to use it to say Wolverine can't take class 100 shots because that's where the CONTEXT comes in. Unless of course your convinced that being completely bled out wouldn't have an effect on his performance.though of course
I know you like to ignore that as often as humanly possible...
Here you go again. Wolverine is never at 100%, its not Captain America this time so now you're making excuses for Wolverine getting his arse kicked by Sentry.
Several issues ago Wolverine was incinerated to a skeleton, tussled with Janus and took Namors shots just fine.
Incinerated to a skeleton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting bled out.
Hell I dont even think the writer thought about it in that much detail, all we knows is that he almost got his head chopped off and was bleeding alot, dont mean he got bled out. Whats the point of this blasted HF if hes never at 100%.
What really took the piss was you were even making excuses for him not being 100% during combat.
OMIGOD WOLVERINE GOT HIT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIGHT HES NOT 100 PERCENT!!
Losing it man.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I reckon it would be like it was against WWH. Wolverine can cut him, but he won't be able to make any deep cuts. If he got the chance to cut Thor though, which he wouldn't.
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Wolverine cut the shit out of WWH. Every blow he landed on Hulk in that fight would have ended a fight with Thor. 😕
