Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWe are talking about whether or not they can both deflect the oe or not.
Exceed temperatures hotter than the sun.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHe still did it. Thor is entirely capable of doing so.
He blocked the OE once, in OWAW. And never when DS used it creatively.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Which does nothing to refute that crazy people and people wired different are immune unless you want to unjustifiably interpret "few" to mean "three." Grant Morrison himself wrote Final Crisis #4 where it's stated on-panel that crazy people and people wired differently are also immune to it and were being dissected by Mokkari. On-panel.That's EXACTLY how the statement reads and what the scan depicts. IDLI, IDH doesn't pass for an argument.No, you didn't. Because you use attenuated logic to equivocate over Wonder Woman dispelling Anti-Life which would also completely negate any instance of it happening and that robs such argument of all credibility. And unless it's "the power of love" that cured Iris Allen, there is no pertinent explanation for how Barry Allen cured Iris of Anti-Life. Refusing to acknowledge that your arguments end up refuting themselves or corner you into ridiculously inane positions is not argumentative proof. It's obstinancy without substance.Which suggests that Highfather must have been talking about other people, which again goes to prove the simple premise I've been putting forth. facepalm
I've been through all this. There's nothing equivocal about stating that the lasso doesn't affect the ALE. It's like saying a GL ring can affect the ALE just because it immobilizised the ALE wielder. The Lasso's magic allows WW to immobilize DS' body briefly (Turpin + 3 billion humans), it has no bearing on the ALE, it's function is to completely hold down it's target.
The speed force has no bearing on the ALE either, what Barry Allen did to his wife doesn't have to automatically relate to the speed force simply because he's a Flash. That's some daft logic there, how would the speed force have affected his wife? You haven't thought any of this through. Nor does it have to be love.
And no one is equating "few" to three, "a few living beings" eliminates, "all the crazy people in the multiverse" as a possibility, that would go beyond the bounds of "few" no? 😉
Originally posted by AllanklesYou're assuming that immobilizing Darkseid's shell of a body only had the effect of immobilizing 3 billion humans. Yet, you seem to be forgetting that those 3 billion humans no longer suffered from the ALE. So there was another effect that was caused by binding Darkseid's shell of a body which you conveniently ignore. Enough with the semantics.
I've been through all this. There's nothing equivocal about stating that the lasso doesn't affect the ALE. It's like saying a GL ring can affect the ALE just because it immobilizised the ALE wielder. The Lasso's magic allows WW to immobilize DS' body briefly (Turpin + 3 billion humans), it has no bearing on the ALE, it's function is to completely hold down it's target.
Originally posted by AllanklesAd ignorantium. Don't ignore the facts. Barry cured Iris. There is no other plausible explanation except for Speed Force. And from your statement, it's evident that you didn't notice the spark of lightning that was depicted when they kissed. On-panel. If it isn't the Speed Force or the "power of love," than offer a plausible alternative explanation. Until then your rebuttal is completely worthless. Your apparent desire to not want the ALE to be dispellable by forces outside of the Life Equation doesn't imbue your denial of what actually occurred with any logical merit. That isn't even daft logic, it's utter lack of logic.
The speed force has no bearing on the ALE either, what Barry Allen did to his wife doesn't have to automatically relate to the speed force simply because he's a Flash. That's some daft logic there, how would the speed force have affected his wife? You haven't thought any of this through. Nor does it have to be love.
Originally posted by AllanklesStraw-man. Just because you can't directly address my argument effectively doesn't give you the right to put words into my mouth. I never stated that every single crazy person was immune. But Highfather stated that it didn't affect crazy people and people wired differently. And as I stated before, that makes it very arguable that Blood and Thunder Thor wouldn't be affected. What makes it exceptionally arguable that he wouldn't be affected is that his psychosis and fortified immortal spirit were directly responsible for his resistance to extremely potent attacks on the soul and mind.
And no one is equating "few" to three, "a few living beings" eliminates, "all the crazy people in the multiverse" as a possibility, that would go beyond the bounds of "few" no? 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're assuming that immobilizing Darkseid's shell of a body only had the effect of immobilizing 3 billion humans. Yet, you seem to be forgetting that those 3 billion humans no longer suffered from the ALE. So there was another effect that was caused by binding Darkseid's shell of a body which you conveniently ignore. Enough with the semantics.Ad ignorantium. Don't ignore the facts. Barry cured Iris. There is no other plausible explanation except for Speed Force. And from your statement, it's evident that you didn't notice the spark of lightning that was depicted when they kissed. On-panel. If it isn't the Speed Force or the "power of love," than offer a plausible alternative explanation. Until then your rebuttal is completely worthless. Your apparent desire to not want the ALE to be dispellable by forces outside of the Life Equation doesn't imbue your denial of what actually occurred with any logical merit. That isn't even daft logic, it's utter lack of logic.Straw-man. Just because you can't directly address my argument effectively doesn't give you the right to put words into my mouth. I never stated that every single crazy person was immune. But Highfather stated that it didn't affect crazy people and people wired differently. And as I stated before, that makes it very arguable that Blood and Thunder Thor wouldn't be affected. What makes it exceptionally arguable that he wouldn't be affected is that his psychosis and fortified immortal spirit were directly responsible for his resistance to extremely potent attacks on the soul and mind.
You're a funy guy ODG. Where did it say the Lasso cured people from the ALE? 😄 "[It] chained the god of evil and no one was hurt." That's all it did per FC's own words. Nothing to do with the ALE but DS himself.
There's no other plausible explanation based on who? Morrison? Or some freelance editor on wikipedia? Barry kissed his wife and she was cured, interpret it however you like but don't peddle speculation as fact.
It doesn't really support that B & T Thor's insanity will make him immune, since non of the known people that have a special immunity, are immune by virtue of mere insanity. Non of those guys are insane. And "wired differently' and "crazy" are subjective i.e. it clearly depends on perspective because "Highfather" clearly doesn't beleive himself to be "crazy" and doesn't seem crazy either.
^ Compare their combat speed and reflex feats and maybe you'll reconsider your doubt.
Originally posted by AllanklesExcept that nobody was under the influence of ALE anymore after Wonder Woman lassoed the body.
You're a funy guy ODG. Where did it say the Lasso cured people from the ALE? 😄 "[It] chained the god of evil and no one was hurt." That's all it did per FC's own words. Nothing to do with the ALE but DS himself.
Originally posted by AllanklesOnce again, you ignore the spark of lightning that manifested when they kissed. Once again you continue to ignore the fact that you can't even come up with a single possible alternative explanation. Don't peddle the utter lack of argumentation as anythign resembling a constructive rebuttal.
There's no other plausible explanation based on who? Morrison? Or some freelance editor on wikipedia? Barry kissed his wife and she was cured, interpret it however you like but don't peddle speculation as fact.
Originally posted by AllanklesYes, it does. Highfather was clearly referring to past prison victims. They were immune to the ALE's effects on the soul and mind solely because they were crazy. Blood and Thunder Thor was crazy. And his craziness helped resist against potent attacks on his soul and mind. Other people were immune to the ALE's effects on the soul and mind because they were wired differently. Blood and Thunder Thor possessed a fortified immortal spirit that helped resist against potent attacks on his soul and mind. AND he has the Power Gem which increased those defenses. Enough with the semantics.
It doesn't really support that B & T Thor's insanity will make him immune, since non of the known people that have a special immunity, are immune by virtue of mere insanity. Non of those guys are insane. And "wired differently' and "crazy" are subjective i.e. it clearly depends on perspective because "Highfather" clearly doesn't beleive himself to be "crazy" and doesn't seem crazy either.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
That's arguable. DS hangs with Superman evenly. However, with the power gem he obviously becomes stronger. Still ALE, OB helps a lot
Thor's also hung evenly in H2H with the Norse God of Speed before, while drugged.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's a BS feat and you know it. 👇 Balder has crap speed feats compared to the guys DS faces. Oh look, lightspeed pies. 😂
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor's speed is a joke here, and there is no feat that he has that compares to DS fighting Superman and his match with Orion.