Originally posted by MindsetOh please they both hold back in their fights and you know full well DD gave him all he could handle in their last encounter. To even begin to insinuate that Elektra isn't on the same level as Iron Fist is flat out insane.
Yea, and when has Danny fought DD with his recent upgrade when he wasn't holding back?That's right, he hasn't.
Originally posted by jinzinBy hold back I meant he didn't use any powers...gave him all he could handle? 😂
Oh please they both hold back in their fights and you know full well DD gave him all he could handle in their last encounter. To even begin to insinuate that Elektra isn't on the same level as Iron Fist is flat out insane.
Actually, I didn't insinuate Danny was better, when I first said that I told you that I didn't see Elektra's name, then I said that she wasn't better than Danny, so...
When Danny fought Matt I don't think his chi was even doubled yet, actually.
Originally posted by Mindset
By hold back I meant he didn't use any powers...gave him all he could handle? 😂
Absolutely, DD was putting him into a defensive fight. Rand wasn't exactly looking like it was easy so I'm not sure how you think that it becomes laughable. Especially since he had to resort to beginning to use his Iron Fist, clearly nothing else was working.
Originally posted by MindsetYou did so in a way as to completely write Elektra off which is stupid as it can easily be argued she's a better fighter than him... when you consider... yknow their hand to hand fights.
Actually, I didn't insinuate Danny was better, when I first said that I told you that I didn't see Elektra's name, then I said that she wasn't better than Danny, so...
Originally posted by MindsetI think it was, but I hardly think it matter since the conversation was about better fighters.
When Danny fought Matt I don't think his chi was even doubled yet, actually.
Originally posted by jinzinDanny was not fighting in his usually style of hth, he even comments on it. It would matter at what point his chi was enhanced, because more chi would mean his physically attributes would also be enhanced. It's laughable because Matt obviously was not giving Danny all he could handle...edit, didn't make sense... 🙂
Absolutely, DD was putting him into a defensive fight. Rand wasn't exactly looking like it was easy so I'm not sure how you think that it becomes laughable. Especially since he had to resort to beginning to use his Iron Fist, clearly nothing else was working.
You did so in a way as to completely write Elektra off which is stupid as it can easily be argued she's a better fighter than him... when you consider... yknow their hand to hand fights.I think it was, but I hardly think it matter since the conversation was about better fighters.
If it can easily be argued that Elektra is better than Danny in hth then do it. As for now, I put her on equal footing with him. What hth fights would those be?
Physical attributes tie directly in to hth fighting, his chi fuels his super human attributes. So yea, it matters.
Originally posted by MindsetHe was forced into exposing his own secret by using his Iron Fist.. you think he did that because he WASN'T backed into a corner? Now THAT'S laughable.
Danny was not fighting in his usually style of hth, he even comments on it. It would matter at what point his chi was enhanced, because more chi would mean his physically attributes would also be enhanced. It's laughable because Matt obviously was not giving Danny all he could handle...edit, didn't make sense... 🙂
Originally posted by MindsetLook at her speed feats, her fights with any top tiers, you already said you put Taskmaster on possibly the same footing as Iron Fist and Elektra ripped him apart practically one shotting him.
If it can easily be argued that Elektra is better than Danny in hth then do it. As for now, I put her on equal footing with him. What hth fights would those be?
Originally posted by MindsetIt matters in a fight sure, but there's no question that Cap is times the fighter Hulk is superhuman attributes or no.
Physical attributes tie directly in to hth fighting, his chi fuels his super human attributes. So yea, it matters.
Once again the discussion was about who was a better fighter not who would win in a fight. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
He was forced into exposing his own secret by using his Iron Fist.. you think he did that because he WASN'T backed into a corner? Now THAT'S laughable.Look at her speed feats, her fights with any top tiers, you already said you put Taskmaster on possibly the same footing as Iron Fist and Elektra ripped him apart practically one shotting him.
It matters in a fight sure, but there's no question that Cap is times the fighter Hulk is superhuman attributes or no.
Once again the discussion was about who was a better fighter not who would win in a fight. 😐
Yea, what I said didn't make sense, what I meant was if Matt were truly more than he could handle he'd be using more than just IF. And if you follow his current series, then you know what I'm talking about. Not to mention you are forgetting some important things about the fight, Matt was out to hurt Danny because he thought Danny was behind Foggy's death(which ofc wasn't real), Matt was using his clubs, and Danny was still trying to use Matt's style of fighting as well as his own.
Her speed feats? Apparently, according to you, physically attributes don't matter. It seems you are trying to take this both ways. You mention Elektra's speed feats, and her fight with Taskmaster, but her beating him could be because of her superior physical stats, not her superior hth abilities.
Yea, your Cap and Hulk example is way off base, and you should be able to see why on your own...
Yea, and your physical abilities tie in to fighting ability...😐
Originally posted by MindsetIt didn't make sense? Sure it makes sense, DD was too much for Iron Fist in a h2h fight alone and Danny had to resort to other means. It's not as if this is outside the norm. DD has treated IF like an kid before, and has stalemated him before. IF is not outside Matt's capability to handle in a h2h fight and he proved it. Even your own credit of Matt compared to IF supports this. 😐
Yea, what I said didn't make sense, what I meant was if Matt were truly more than he could handle he'd be using more than just IF. And if you follow his current series, then you know what I'm talking about. Not to mention you are forgetting some important things about the fight, Matt was out to hurt Danny because he thought Danny was behind Foggy's death(which ofc wasn't real), Matt was using his clubs, and Danny was still trying to use Matt's style of fighting as well as his own.
Originally posted by MindsetSorry you're right I wasn't being clear, I was caught up in the lack of distinction between being better in a fight and being better at strict h2h, so you're right, her speed is inconsequential to her h2h skill level, though she doesn't need to chi amp to be fast.
Her speed feats? Apparently, according to you, physically attributes don't matter. It seems you are trying to take this both ways. You mention Elektra's speed feats, and her fight with Taskmaster, but her beating him could be because of her superior physical stats, not her superior hth abilities.
Originally posted by Mindsetyeah? No it's not. You're pretending that Iron Fists chi amping ability is directly related to how skilled he is in h2h.. which is total bullshit because when he's been stripped of those powers he's looked rather poor a good portion of the time.
Yea, your Cap and Hulk example is way off base, and you should be able to see why on your own...Yea, and your physical abilities tie in to fighting ability...😐
The kid was talking about who was a better fighter, powers never came into the equation.
Originally posted by jinzinSo you're just going to keep on ignoring the context, gotcha. Fortunately I didn't say Matt couldn't give IF a fight, so I don't know why you bring it up like I did, maybe read what I actually wrote.
It didn't make sense? Sure it makes sense, DD was too much for Iron Fist in a h2h fight alone and Danny had to resort to other means. It's not as if this is outside the norm. DD has treated IF like an kid before, and has stalemated him before. IF is not outside Matt's capability to handle in a h2h fight and he proved it. Even your own credit of Matt compared to IF supports this. 😐Sorry you're right I wasn't being clear, I was caught up in the lack of distinction between being better in a fight and being better at strict h2h, so you're right, her speed is inconsequential to her h2h skill level, though she doesn't need to chi amp to be fast.
yeah? No it's not. You're pretending that Iron Fists chi amping ability is directly related to how skilled he is in h2h.. which is total bullshit because when he's been stripped of those powers he's looked rather poor a good portion of the time.
The kid was talking about who was a better fighter, powers never came into the equation.
His physical abilities due to chi are related to how good of a fighter he is. Your physically attributes are directly related to how good a fighter you are, they, however, are not related to how knowledgeable of a fighter you are. How does your speed, strength, senses, etc. not play a major factor in how good of a fighter you are? That doesn't even make sense.