Originally posted by Juk3n
That comes in the knowledge department, thanks for agreeing with me.
Not entirely. One can have knowledge in knowing what form of style to use against an opponent, but knowledge in when to execute is something that comes with being in a wide variety of different fights. Fighters IQ ftw.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not going to address every point, because you wrote too much and there's no point.You are confusing a good fighter with someone who is a good martial artist. You think Cap is better than Danny, well Danny said Cap's fighting style is basic, which seems to imply Danny is the better martial artist, that, however, does not mean he is the better fighter.
The Namor and Cap comparison you are trying to draw from, is like comparing a heavy weight fighter to a feather weight, it doesn't apply to what I'm saying. But compare people of relative strength, such as Namor and Thing, then seeing who the better fighter is would be apparent.
Your physical attributes play a part in your fighting ability, it doesn't matter how these atributes were strengthened. You keep trying to disregard this for IF because he uses chi, well so what, he has chi, so it doesn't matter.
I can see this is just some pointless endeavor to agree on semantics... Funny that. You seem to think physicality mixed with skill/ability make a better fighter. I don't think physicality has anything to do with it.
Look, the bottom line is this, when you bring into question who's a "better fighter" you're bringing into question fighting ability. Fighting ability is a skill not a physical trait and when you throw shear superhuman physical attributes into the mix you're making a disingenuous argument for who's a better fighter because we all know superhumans can beat better fighters strictly based on the fact that they're superhuman... IE Deathstroke. And, at that point you're just talking about who would win in a fight which are two completely separate things...
A better fighter is defined by someone who is better at the art of fighting not who would win in a fight. Most people consider straight martial skill for fighting ability because adding in superhuman attributes begins to make a whole mess of blurred lines. My Hulk example completely validates this, as does the Namor example, If you make a thread asking who is a better fighter Captain America or Hulk/Namor people are going to base it off of skill not powers..... Shit, Iron Fists very existence discredits the argument you're attempting to make as he's consistently touched gloves with heavy weights, middle weights and light weights purely based on the fact that he's a better fighter and it has nothing to do with his physicality.
He said Cap's style is basic, but Cap's so proficient and efficient with what he does use that his fighting ability is off the scale regardless of lack of different disciplines (though he knows more than he regularly uses); And again, it has nothing to do with his physicality.
The thing is even by Marvel standards fighting ability isn't gauged by who wins in a fight, but rather martial skill and every name on that list that the guy gave save like.. two maybe which could be argued for anyways had justification for being up there. There was no reason for you to treat him like you did.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Shiva.There are better fighters in the Marvel U including Echo, Daredevil, Elektra, Taskmaster, most members of the chaste, and possibly Deadpool, Lady Bullseye. Hell, maybe even Bullseye.
Originally posted by Mindset
No one you mentioned is a better martial artist than Danny, the only ones I would even put on his level are Matt and Taskmaster.I could be wrong, but I don't think you actually read IF comics.