Thor/Beta ray bill vs Surfer/Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Good statement but supes isnt as weak to magic as you're making it and I dont think that its a straight out weakness that he has since almost EVERYONE is affected by magical powers. Hell, juggernaut is one of the most durable beings in comics but magic reduced him to the bone (by the way, magic also affect surfer).

Now I do agree, I give bill and thor the majority over supes but its not due to magic, they are just plain out better to me and more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt read the part where I said that it would take multiple hits.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know that surfer was f***** up when tenebrous hit him with that MOON busting attack. 🙁

His armor was cracked and he was barely able to stand and that was just one physical attack that didnt even destroy the entire moon (which was discovered as being a prison base).

Originally posted by carver9
Didnt bill absorb everything that star dust through at him with ease and while surfer is blasting at bill what is bill going to be doing, let me guess, just standing there.

Well, ya, because Bill has to stop so he can absorb things...

Originally posted by Charmander
I guess I did.

You're implying that it wouldn't even take one planet busting attack.

Did he?

Well, ya, because Bill has to stop so he can absorb things...

Surfer was ripped up but he was still fighting and tenebrous didnt just hit surfer in the head, the attack covered his entire body (due to his size) which made it more devastating.

It wouldnt take just one hit, it would take multiple of hits but one of them should make surfer dizzy as hell.

Bill can absorb then attack, just that simple. You do know that bill has powerout put also.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer was ripped up but he was still fighting and tenebrous didnt just hit surfer in the head, the attack covered his entire body (due to his size) which made it more devastating.

It wouldnt take just one hit, it would take multiple of hits but one of them should make surfer dizzy as hell.

Bill can absorb then attack, just that simple. You do know that bill has powerout put also.

Right. And the point of bringing up Surfer/Supes never taking a planet destroying attack, and Surfer being screwed up by a moon destroying attack means... ?

Against an energy manipulator like Surfer?

stalemate

SS/SM FTW.
Surfer helped make BRB's mallet, he can just as easily un-make it.
Surfer also healed up Thor, when Thor couldn't do it himself.
Surfer's far faster than Thor/BRB, far more agile and can easily open up black-holes in order to harrass/bfr BRB.

also, given the insane amounts of punishment Surfer can endure, I don't see Thor or BRB being upto the job of taking him out... UniLord couldn't kill him in his own dimension and I doubt Thor is >> UniLord. Surfer is the most durable combatent here, imo.

Team 1.

Originally posted by Charmander
Ah, so you suppose that Beta Ray Bill hits harder than a full out double hammerfist from someone on Galactus' physical level

What does this mean?

What is Galactus' physical level?

Originally posted by carver9
Good statement but supes isnt as weak to magic as you're making it and I dont think that its a straight out weakness that he has since almost EVERYONE is affected by magical powers.

Team 2 via Surfer amping superman with both Yellow Sun radiation and the Power cosmic. 😄

Then BAM! Speedblitz!

Edit. Basically, they fly out of melee range from BRB and Thor (where they can use their abilities the best) and just avoid their attacks until Surfer can amp supes enough.

Team 1 wins.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman getting engulfed in magical flame would be hurt far more than say, Captain Marvel getting engulfed by magical flame. Concerning the field of characters with his level of durability, magic is definitely a weakness of his.

Bad example. Captain marvel is a magical based being whereas supes isnt. Its common sense that magical powers would have a much harder time affecting cm instead of supes since his powers revolves around magic.

Magic is one of the most creative powers in dc and it has a impact on almost ANYONE who isnt just plain out magical resistant like, um, captain marvel or even wonder woman.

Supes isnt weak to magic, saying that alone mean that the entire dcu and marvel earth is weak to magic also.

How many times has surfer been affected by magic, I cant even count it in my head anymore.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Team 2 via Surfer amping superman with both Yellow Sun radiation and the Power cosmic. 😄

Then BAM! Speedblitz!

Edit. Basically, they fly out of melee range from BRB and Thor (where they can use their abilities the best) and just avoid their attacks until Surfer can amp supes enough.

When will surfer have the time to amp superman 😕

Originally posted by carver9
When will surfer have the time to amp superman 😕

during the match. all he has to do is blast superman with one shot of concentrated sunlight. instant amp.

I'd say thru feats, travel and combat speed-wise Supes and SS are a bit faster than Thor or BRB. They can play defensively and just fly rings around the two just to give SS time enough to give Supes a decent amp.

Originally posted by carver9
Bad example. Captain marvel is a magical based being whereas supes isnt. Its common sense that magical powers would have a much harder time affecting cm instead of supes since his powers revolves around magic.

Originally posted by Raoul
during the match. all he has to do is blast superman with one shot of concentrated sunlight. instant amp.

So while thor is hammering away at surfer and surfer is in one of the dangerous fight of his life, hes going to have the time to do this.

I'm not even going to mention supes fight against beta ray bill who posses a mallet that is capable of crushing planets. A mallet that has the abilities of draining supes power.

It would be hard pressed for me to believe that supes could stand up to any attacks that beta ray bill was giving a being that is more powerful and durable than supes (stardust).

Supes is going to have to start this match out at his "A" game in order to even make this an interesting battle because I'm pretty damn sure that beta would be packing more hitting power than what kalibak mace did to supes which did ko him.

Originally posted by carver9
So while thor is hammering away at surfer and surfer is in one of the dangerous fight of his life, hes going to have the time to do this.

yes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman getting engulfed in magical flame would be hurt far more than say, Gladiator getting engulfed by magical flame. Concerning the field of characters with his level of durability, magic is definitely a weakness of Superman's.

Another bad example; when has magic EVER had any kind of affect on gladiator.

Now if you engulf Juggernaut and supes in magical flames then I'm pretty sure it would have the same kind of affect.

Supes durability against magic isnt any different than anyone else durability, some people just have resistance against it more than others. Superman has been powered by magic before, if it had so much of a impact towards him, the negative would have happened instead of the positive.

Originally posted by Raoul
yes.

I disagree but like usual we're always on different terms. Thor has always proven to be surfers superior in combat so if you're fighting a equal/greater how will you ever have the chance to do anything but fight for your life.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree but like usual we're always on different terms. Thor has always proven to be surfers superior in combat so if you're fighting a equal/greater how will you ever have the chance to do anything but fight for your life.

all it takes is a split second for surfer to turn and blast superman. he can dodge thor long enough to do so. heck, he could do it at the start of the fight before the two teams even clash.