Originally posted by OneDumbG0You mean in the sense that Captain Marvel is a magical being that's nigh immune to magic?
Superman getting engulfed in magical flame would be hurt far more than say, Captain Marvel getting engulfed by magical flame. Concerning the field of characters with his level of durability, magic is definitely a weakness of his.
Not really a fair comparison.
Originally posted by Raoul
all it takes is a split second for surfer to turn and blast superman. he can dodge thor long enough to do so. heck, he could do it at the start of the fight before the two teams even clash.
So you honestly think surfer would doubt his abilities and amp supes from the start.
By the way, thor and beta has the abilities of unamping opponents with the hammer kind of like what they did to the juggernaut and other beings.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
It would take the same amount of time for Thor or Bill to absorb that blast.
assuming they could even do that.
Originally posted by carver9
So you honestly think surfer would doubt his abilities and amp supes from the start.By the way, thor and beta has the abilities of unamping opponents with the hammer kind of like what they did to the juggernaut and other beings.
why does amping supes make surfer doubt his own abilities?
they're going to be fighting arguably the best slugger in comics. you assume they'll have the time to unamp superman, but surfer wouldn't have the time to amp him? sounds like a double standard, imo.
Originally posted by carver9
Have a question, what is a amps superman best feat against a top tier?I ask this because an amped supes failed to take out wonder woman who almost has the same kind of damage soak as beta.
if you're going to try and use sacrifice as an example of an amped superman, then i really don't want to go any further.
Originally posted by Raoul
assuming they could even do that.why does amping supes make surfer doubt his own abilities?
they're going to be fighting arguably the best slugger in comics. you assume they'll have the time to unamp superman, but surfer wouldn't have the time to amp him? sounds like a double standard, imo.
Why wouldnt they be able to do it, they did it before.
I agree, it is double standard but its safe to say that it can happen on both sides.
The reason I said doubt is due to the fact that each character has knowledge of the other characcters abilities. I'm pretty sure with surfer know supes abilities he'll think that supes could handle his own in a fight against thor or beta. I didnt mean doubt his abilities but supes.
Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldnt they be able to do it, they did it before.I agree, it is double standard but its safe to say that it can happen on both sides.
The reason I said doubt is due to the fact that each character has knowledge of the other characcters abilities. I'm pretty sure with surfer know supes abilities he'll think that supes could handle his own in a fight against thor or beta. I didnt mean doubt his abilities but supes.
i honestly think Superman is above BRB or Classic Thor anyways, tbh...
Originally posted by carver9
Disregard that post then. Whats the best showing for an amped supes against a top tier?
why amped? he's not amped that often, and tends to do fine without it.
I dont think its right to assume there will be any amping or draining from the start. If Surfer were to "amp" Supes, it would be due to him finding out Supes gets powered by the sun. I may not be instantly. Whoever Supes fights, its gonna come down to a slugfest. Yes they are to fight to the best of their abilities, but also in character.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think its right to assume there will be any amping or draining from the start. If Surfer were to "amp" Supes, it would be due to him finding out Supes gets powered by the sun. I may not be instantly. Whoever Supes fights, its gonna come down to a slugfest. Yes they are to fight to the best of their abilities, but also in character.
yup.
Originally posted by Raoul
i honestly think Superman is above BRB or Classic Thor anyways, tbh...why amped? he's not amped that often, and tends to do fine without it.
Thats the point that I"m trying to make, supes doesnt need an amp for this fight and if so what was his best showing while he was amped.
Why do you think that supes is more powerful than beta and thor? Thor showings against more powerful beings is a lot more impressive and just outright more powerful than supes. Without speed supes would get crushed against thor, speed is the only reason I give supes a chance against him.
Supes beinig stronger, thats very, very arguable. There hasnt been any on panel showing or nothing thor has failed to lift that make me believe he is weaker than supes.
Power output, this isnt even a debate.
Versatility, thor has this in spades.
Better fighter, thor has this also.
Durable, supes is more durable against sharpnel than thor but blunt force trama, I think thor has him beat.
Beta has every ability that thor has, beta just doesnt hold back, he goes for the kill which would be bad for either supes or surfer imo
Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think its right to assume there will be any amping or draining from the start. If Surfer were to "amp" Supes, it would be due to him finding out Supes gets powered by the sun. I may not be instantly. Whoever Supes fights, its gonna come down to a slugfest. Yes they are to fight to the best of their abilities, but also in character.
I agree with this and thats the main reason I give this to marvels team. Supes nor Surfer has shown me that they can take planet destroy hits.
Originally posted by carver9What the hell are you talking about? Fine. Use Hyperion, Ikaris or Majestic or Apollo or whomever. Stop imbuing people with phantom magical invulnerability or covering up people who have magic vulnerability for god's sake.
Another bad example; when has magic EVER had any kind of affect on gladiator.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What the hell are you talking about? Fine. Use Hyperion, Ikaris or Majestic or Apollo or whomever. Stop imbuing people with phantom magical invulnerability or covering up people who have magic vulnerability for god's sake.
Magic has impacted almost everyone that you named. Supes isnt weak against it, magic is just a plot device power that impact EVERYONE. Wolverine has one of the best healing factor in comics but got turned into a werewolf due to magic. Hulk was disintegrated to nothing but bones due to magic. Thor was turned into a frog due to magic and lets not bring up everything loki has done to him.
Its not a vulnerability to supes, it mentally gets to him but he has as much resistance to it as almost anyone in dc and marvel, NONE.
You think the Surfer can't take planet busting hits?? He's one of the most durable characters in the MU. >_<
Besides, Supes and SS trumps Thor and BRB in speed, so once they've realized that this would be a tough fight, Supes gets on the board and Surfer just accelerates to top speed (leaving Thor and BRB in the dust) to allow SS to amp Supes while Thor and BRB attempt to keep up.
Also, I see a lot of people arguing that SS's cosmic awareness helps find weaknesses but now it can't ascertain strengths?
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this and thats the main reason I give this to marvels team. Supes nor Surfer has shown me that they can take planet destroy hits.
And youre saying that every hit is going to be a planet destroying hit? If thats the case, i may as well say team use will just use their superior speed to dodge every single "planet destroying hit". Neither of the two is gonna happen. Dont make it seem otheriwse.
Originally posted by carver9Are you kidding me? You didn't even manage to address a single character that I listed with this gibberish. But way to bring up Thor because magic flame doesn't hurt Thor any more than cosmic flame. Is that simple fact too hard for you to understand?
Magic has impacted almost everyone that you named. Supes isnt weak against it, magic is just a plot device power that impact EVERYONE. Wolverine has one of the best healing factor in comics but got turned into a werewolf due to magic. Hulk was disintegrated to nothing but bones due to magic. Thor was turned into a frog due to magic and lets not bring up everything loki has done to him.Its not a vulnerability to supes, it mentally gets to him but he has as much resistance to it as almost anyone in dc and marvel, NONE.
Don't try to confuse the well-established vulnerability that Superman has to magic relative to other characters that are his peers by citing random occurrences that have nothing to do with Superman. Not only that, you go ahead and assume that Gladiator has some phantom invulnerability to magic. He's just extraordinarily durable.