Originally posted by KidRock
Some girl came around my house wanting me to donate money and sign some sheet to help fund the Paid Days Off movement or something.I asked her, "Why should people get paid for not working?" after a good 10 second awkward silence she decided to leave.
😆 😆 😆
That was a good story.
Originally posted by KidRock
Some girl came around my house wanting me to donate money and sign some sheet to help fund the Paid Days Off movement or something.I asked her, "Why should people get paid for not working?" after a good 10 second awkward silence she decided to leave.
Almost every western first world country has more government programs, and they score higher on most observable benchmarks for their standards of living. Lack of govt. aid is making America slowly self-destruct.
I'm more of a capitalist than a socialist. Like I said, I'd trade out SS and Medicare for this program in a heartbeat. They are both failed systems. They need to be scrapped anyway. This vacation thing would make more people happy. However, if I had my choice...we'd get rid of SS and Medicare...AND not have this idea, too. Then use the money saved to help bring down some of the deficit. I am a "f*** 'em" type of person. Can't get a job that you like? Your fault. Don't get enough pay? Your fault. F*** you, etc. This is America. smile It's the "f*** 'em" way. wink
Yeah, they've tried that before many times and it turns out that society falls apart and turns totalitarian faster than under Communism. Look at all the "shock and awe" bullshit that the International Monetary Fund does when they offer countries loans conditional to them privatizing everything including social services. What do you get? Massive poverty, unemployment, the elderly stripped of retirement selling war medals in the streets for food and a country that is more or less a failed state for years.
People just forget about what happens when you screw populations over like that. See, unions used to be illegal and during strikes or protests over things like lack of healthcare, child labor, low/no wages and worker safety, they used to just deal with that by sending in goons from the Pinkerton detective agency to beat and murder them and occasionally to rape and murder their families. Then people got really pissed off and started to riot and side with the socialists and communists, so government and big business got even more repressive. So anarchists got involved, resulting in a period of global terror where instead of protests, strikes and riots, prominent businessmen, bankers, monarchs, and world leaders started getting surgically assassinated on weekly basis in what seemed to be random, uncoordinated attacks ending with the assassination of President William McKinley by Leon Czolgosz. It resulted in a big red scare and political repression but also made businessmen and politicians realize that when you oppress your population, especially in a liberal society, you are never safe and finally started to bring unions and reforms to the table.
That, in a nutshell is why no social safety net doesn't work. Eventually people get so desperate and upset that they stop pillaging, raping, and killing each other and start going after those that denied them benefits in the first place.
Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, stupid capitalism, paying people who work and not those who dont.
To bad that's not how it works. The people who work get to pay for those who don't and Big Bama wants us to give MORE..,DIG DEEP? 😠 Jesus christ, the fukin commie wants the american public to get fed up and go on welfare and Government assistance. 😂
Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, stupid capitalism, paying people who work and not those who dont.
Privatized health care was the absolutely worst idea ever conceived. it puts treatment in the hands of people who have incentive to help as few people as possible. A more logical system would make it so that everybody had to be treated. Then we couldn't have corporations preventing people from getting health-care. Which is basically murder, to let someone be sick when you could help them be well. Same with vacation. If you don't pay people for vacation, then they have an incentive to take as little time off as possible. So basically you have screwed over the quality of these people's lives in order to make the corporations heads richer.
You know what would make the most sense? Slavery. You can just treat everybody like shit and make them work twenty hours a day. That would save a lot of money. That's why I ask all of you to denounce "socialized freedom" for the communist plot that it is. For, if we allow people to actually preserve their quality of life, the reds have already won.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes, but how does the economy benefit from forcing companies to pay people when they aren't working? If anything that would damage the businesses, reducing jobs, reducing money for consumers, damaging economies. This sort of thing is best left up to business because it really isn't a neccessity for the workers. Good for morale? Sure. But not something workers need to have.
Some girl came around my house wanting me to donate money and sign some sheet to help fund the Paid Days Off movement or something.I asked her, "Why should people get paid for not working?" after a good 10 second awkward silence she decided to leave.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, I agree. And why don't we just fire everyone who gets sick, instead of giving them health-care. I mean, that would be more economically sensible. Hell, why do we have jails. It makes more economic sense to just hang everybody instead of paying for their food and the like. That would benefit everyone. Well, everyone if you only count rich people. The uninsured would be kind of screwed.Privatized health care was the absolutely worst idea ever conceived. it puts treatment in the hands of people who have incentive to help as few people as possible. A more logical system would make it so that everybody had to be treated. Then we couldn't have corporations preventing people from getting health-care. Which is basically murder, to let someone be sick when you could help them be well. Same with vacation. If you don't pay people for vacation, then they have an incentive to take as little time off as possible. So basically you have screwed over the quality of these people's lives in order to make the corporations heads richer.
You know what would make the most sense? Slavery. You can just treat everybody like shit and make them work twenty hours a day. That would save a lot of money. That's why I ask all of you to denounce "socialized freedom" for the communist plot that it is. For, if we allow people to actually preserve their quality of life, the reds have already won.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Great job dodging having to actually have a discussion in the discussion forum there.
Because it's pointless to have a discussion with someone as irrational and misguided as you are.
You know what would make the most sense? Slavery.
Riiight.
And why don't we just fire everyone who gets sick, instead of giving them health-care
Why dont they just pay for their own healthcare? They have a job.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Yeah, they've tried that before many times and it turns out that society falls apart and turns totalitarian faster than under Communism. Look at all the "shock and awe" bullshit that the International Monetary Fund does when they offer countries loans conditional to them privatizing everything including social services. What do you get? Massive poverty, unemployment, the elderly stripped of retirement selling war medals in the streets for food and a country that is more or less a failed state for years.People just forget about what happens when you screw populations over like that. See, unions used to be illegal and during strikes or protests over things like lack of healthcare, child labor, low/no wages and worker safety, they used to just deal with that by sending in goons from the Pinkerton detective agency to beat and murder them and occasionally to rape and murder their families. Then people got really pissed off and started to riot and side with the socialists and communists, so government and big business got even more repressive. So anarchists got involved, resulting in a period of global terror where instead of protests, strikes and riots, prominent businessmen, bankers, monarchs, and world leaders started getting surgically assassinated on weekly basis in what seemed to be random, uncoordinated attacks ending with the assassination of President William McKinley by Leon Czolgosz. It resulted in a big red scare and political repression but also made businessmen and politicians realize that when you oppress your population, especially in a liberal society, you are never safe and finally started to bring unions and reforms to the table.
That, in a nutshell is why no social safety net doesn't work. Eventually people get so desperate and upset that they stop pillaging, raping, and killing each other and start going after those that denied them benefits in the first place.
I have no idea how this post, which is almost tangential to mine, addresses the virtually failed SS and Medicare systems. Social programs are great, in all. But if they fail, they fail.
They old should have saved better.
"They" tell me that I'll need a little more than 2 million in savings by the time I retire, to live comfortably when I retire.
I'll work on that. Since I don't plan on NOT working until the day I die, I doubt I'll have any problems.
Shouldn't I NOT have to pay for other's who didn't plan for retirement? Shouldn't I get to keep every last dollar and not have to pay into SS? hmmmm? I would certainly love to. I could use those thousands of dollars that I'm literally WASTING each year into a system I won't benefit from.
On topic, I'll repeat myself:
Get rid of the soon to fail SS and Medicare. Either use that money to help bring in budget, or use it for social ideas like the vacation idea.
Get rid of the soon to fail SS and Medicare. Either use that money to help bring in budget, or use it for social ideas like the vacation idea.
Originally posted by backdoorman
Surprisingly I don't entirely disagree with this. We privatized social security here in Chile and it worked out surprisingly well, both for Big Money and the worker. And from what I hear Medicare is very inefficient, universal health care system is the way to go.
I'm all about bringing down medical costs in America, going to a single payer system, getting rid of medicare and SS, and privatizing SS. Sounds like a win win win over the current system, to me. At the very least it's an improvement X3 system.