Mandatory paid time off

Originally posted by backdoorman
Surprisingly I don't entirely disagree with this. We privatized social security here in Chile and it worked out surprisingly well, both for Big Money and the worker. And from what I hear Medicare is very inefficient, universal health care system is the way to go.

Was that before or after Pinochete and the collapse of your economy?

Oh, and once again Kid Rock has obviously either never had any medical problems or has had mommy and daddy pay for his medicine his entire life.

Originally posted by KidRock
Because it's pointless to have a discussion with someone as irrational and misguided as you are.

Originally posted by KidRock
Riiight.

Originally posted by KidRock
Why dont they just pay for their own healthcare? They have a job.

If I may reprint my own experience as related in a previous thread about health care-

You obviously have no idea how much healthcare costs and have never been to a hospital or dealt with an insurance company whom you have to call 40 times to get them to cover you despite the fact that you're paying them monthly and annually or that there is a loophole in the law that makes insurance companies liable for only $10,000 if you sue them or realize how much drug prices in the united states are actually gouged or know how corrupt the medical industry is or what medical underwriting is ( i.e. we're gonna deny you health insurance because you have acne and you're mom had cancer but you're not poor enough to qualify for medicare so unless you're near death you get no medical care at all) or have any concept of what the poverty line in america actually is. Let me give you an example of how much everything costs from my own experience (this is before insurance coverage but even after, nearly $700 had to be payed out of pocket anyway). Doctor's appointment-$100 Ultrasound-$90 Ultrasound reading-$78 Surgical Consult-$100 Staying in an outpatient surgical recovery ward for two hours and being hooked up to a saline IV-$1,200 hernia/vericocele repair surgery-$7,000 Surgeon's fee-$2,000 Anesthesia-$500 Anesthesioligist's fee-$1,500 (this is almost never covered by insurance anymore since anesthesiologists are often hired as contractors by hospitals and aren't hospital employees. Surgical assistant's fee-$1,000 follow up care-$100 Price of prescription Percocet for recovery-$120 so if you are like the majority of the country with a combined annual income of $47,025 and like nearly half the country at this point you are uninsured either because you can't afford it or are deemed uninsurable by medical underwriters you now have a bill of nearly $14,000 that again, with the reformed bankruptcy laws can be referred to a collection agency before any of the due dates' of the bills and based on several incidents and lawsuits can then have up to 700% in penalties tacked on to it. Wow, assume I have a regular job in america with a family and a mortgage and i got hurt. Now i'm bankrupt, homeless, and can't afford food for my family. If I had only waited until that hernia started to strangle my intestine i could have had the surgery for free with no follow up care at great risk to my life and then maybe would have to have permanent follow up care having to poop through a stoma and not have sex because gangrene had spread through my colon and testicles. Or if i'm really lucky, i could have died and my family could have collected my $60,000 life insurance policy that after legal action, the insurance company only paid $10,000 of, still leaving my family with several grand in debt due to funerary costs. The ultimate message to Americans: If you're not at least moderately wealthy, once you can't work or are in danger of dying, go crawl somewhere and die.

See, the trouble is that private companies want you to pay as much as possible to receive as few services as possible. And there aren't any other options, because you NEED that kind of care. You can't bargain by "walking out", so you have to pay whatever they want.

What we should really do is skip insurance entirely and have a govt. managed infrastructure where doctors can only charge set prices for services, like in Japan. Then people could pay out of their own pockets and if they couldn't afford it the government would pay the difference.

Originally posted by King Kandy
See, the trouble is that private companies want you to pay as much as possible to receive as few services as possible.

I think the dirty word here is...and, mods, don't ban me because I know it isn't PG-13...

The word is....

Profit.

😱 😱

Originally posted by King Kandy
And there aren't any other options, because you NEED that kind of care. You can't bargain by "walking out", so you have to pay whatever they want.

That wouldn't be as much of a problem if medical equipment, employee (physicians, nurses, etc.) didn't get paid as much, insurance wasn't as much, and the amount of money that could be won in malpractice suits was drastically reduced and capped.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That wouldn't be as much of a problem if medical equipment, employee (physicians, nurses, etc.) didn't get paid as much, insurance wasn't as much, and the amount of money that could be won in malpractice suits was drastically reduced and capped.

If you don't pay doctors a lot why would they spend years getting a degree?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the dirty word here is...and, mods, don't ban me because I know it isn't PG-13...

The word is....

Profit.

😱 😱

Originally posted by dadudemon
That wouldn't be as much of a problem if medical equipment, employee (physicians, nurses, etc.) didn't get paid as much, insurance wasn't as much, and the amount of money that could be won in malpractice suits was drastically reduced and capped.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That wouldn't be as much of a problem if medical equipment, employee (physicians, nurses, etc.) didn't get paid as much, insurance wasn't as much, and the amount of money that could be won in malpractice suits was drastically reduced and capped.

Doctor's should have more than profit as a motive and I'm sorry but if someone comes in for an appendectomy and you end up switching charts and take out his testicles, his kidney, two feet of bowl, and leave a sponge and scalpel inside him, he should be able to sue for millions as punitive damage.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm sorry but if someone comes in for an appendectomy and you end up switching charts and take out his testicles, his kidney, two feet of bowl, and leave a sponge and scalpel inside him, he should be able to sue for millions as punitive damage.

Nah. There should be a cap. I have to pay more on my medical bills (which comprise of annual check-ups, woo hoo) and insurance because some douche bag in New York sues and wins millions in a malpractice suit.

What happens there, affects my insurance rates here. Which is retarded.

They should cap it at 250,000. No matter what happens, it should be capped there. That would be an excellent start in significantly reducing medical costs in practice insurance, alone.

All that money will not bring your balls back...or you child...or your spouse. But what should happen is better investigative oversight to determine if it was criminal negligence. (Any lawyers out there that can clarify that?)

That cap idea is ridiculous. The best way to reduce costs is to have government set prices.

And for Doctor's guilty of gross malpractice to have to pay out of their own pockets. Do you really think someone who is permanently disabled can get care for $250,000? Hate to defend Old Testament law but what we call malpractice today is actually what the torah/bible refers to as "witchcraft" and their prescribed punishments range from burning to stoning.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Doctor's should have more than profit as a motive and I'm sorry but if someone comes in for an appendectomy and you end up switching charts and take out his testicles, his kidney, two feet of bowl, and leave a sponge and scalpel inside him, he [B]should be able to sue for millions as punitive damage. [/B]

Yes 😉

That's why they go to school for so long. Things like this shouldn't happen. If they do, ching ching. king

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
To bad that's not how it works. The people who work get to pay for those who don't and Big Bama wants us to give MORE..,DIG DEEP? 😠 Jesus christ, the fukin commie wants the american public to get fed up and go on welfare and Government assistance. 😂

No he doesnt. Obama just wants votes and will do anything he can to make people feel happy, even if it means ruining their kids future behind their backs.

Originally posted by KidRock
No he doesnt. Obama just wants votes and will do anything he can to make people feel happy, even if it means ruining their kids future behind their backs.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You're right. I wish we still had good old "raise a 7 trillion deficit" Bush.

You talking about the budget deficit? If so I would like proof of this 7 trillion dollar budget deficit

as i just posted in a different thread. Quickest way to avoid big deficits and hyperinflation-shut down the federal reserve and ban short selling.

My facts were off a bit. Bush roughly doubled our national deficit, from about five trillion to about ten trillion.

By contrast, it was raised less then one trillion during Clinton's eight years. So in terms of "ruining their kids future behind their backs", republicans are 10x worse than democrats.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
And for Doctor's guilty of gross malpractice to have to pay out of their own pockets. Do you really think someone who is permanently disabled can get care for $250,000? Hate to defend Old Testament law but what we call malpractice today is actually what the torah/bible refers to as "witchcraft" and their prescribed punishments range from burning to stoning.

Pharmakia, literally means drugs, and appears five times in the New Testament: in Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, 18:23, 21:8, and 22:15.
In each of the above five passages, pharmakia, or drugs is listed as a work of the flesh of man as opposed to the Spirit of God working in us.

Synthetic prescription drugs 😉

Originally posted by King Kandy
My facts were off a bit. Bush roughly doubled our national deficit, from about five trillion to about ten trillion.

By contrast, it was raised less then one trillion during Clinton's eight years. So in terms of "ruining their kids future behind their backs", republicans are 10x worse than democrats.

Link and proof please?

Or are you confused, again, and mean our NATIONAL DEBT?

Budget deficit = how much money we are in the red each fiscal year the budget is passed or an excess of expenditures over revenues

National debt = The total debt accumulated by a government

Note what happened while Reagan and Bush sr. were in office, and how Bush jr. reversed the reductions made by clinton.