Originally posted by stormfront
are you aware that not all of her attacks are energy based. she has shown resistance to some of the most powerful of telepaths. she has resisted posession before. so your saying only a telepath is the only mutant that can beat apoc??? storm has created clothing out of nothin and she has altered clothing out of its origional form. matter manipulation. and apoc only has that control over his body. thats if im not mistaken. to say he reverses temp or negates it is like saying he can stand on the sun. as rouge storm with unlimited power she is able to take her powers to the level it was not able to reach before. that being said storm could heat him to over the temp of the surface of the sun.. so i guess apoc can withstand that. she could crumble him in a pressure feild. once again not all her powers are energy based.
Read my post again please...
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Where did I state that Storm needed telepathy to beat Apocalypse, or that only a telepath could defeat him? I said "telekinesis", not "telepathy". And rearranging a costume of non-sentient unstable molecules doesn't count. They're designed specifically for that reason.
Apocalypse can negate the effects of temperature by altering his density. Different materials conduct heat in different ways. Or he can simply go intangible or create a device from his being that absorbs and redirects the energy, hence my comment on his negation of her abilities
And also, all of Storm's powers are energy based. She's an elemental. She controls polarity, temperature, and energy fields to generate her effects with the weather. It was even stated on panel that Storm sees the world along the lines of polarity and energy fields iirc.
Props on defending your girl so steadfastly though.
ok guys i think that in this fight we have apocalypes whos powers before the celestials kidnapped him XD r fully realized and what storm did as rogue-storm was absolutely nothing compared to what she could do if she went all out.....Storm would never show her fool power, not willingly anyway. Storms power goes beyond what most comic fans think of as a brief controlling of the weather. It superseeds anything we could imagine. Briefly: Storm can control cosmic winds, cosmic flares, and even tap into the CORE of our solar system, she can produce, control, and define all weather phenomena, natural and unnatural. She can even manipulate and control artificial weather patterns. She, however, can control and manipulate forces of energy to create new weather on barren planets. She can travel through space in her own atmosphere by manipulating hydrogen molecules so Normal travel for her is on Earth and Outerspace. She can breath in outerspace and underwater. She can also see in darkness and create toxic atmospheres by combining pollutants. Her full power would require her to give up all her worldy connections, like wanting to protect and save everyone, wanting to find love, wanting to have a family because this is the reason that she holds her force back the reason behind her weaknesses. Letting go would transform her into the element of nature. Elements cant reason nor do they submit control they rage furously until they decide to stop, until they get balanced. All the reasons why she must keep her emotions in check. Storm unleased would be like ending it all, and the thing is that she wouldnt have to be like a DarkStorm, because storms happen on Earth naturally and are only bad when they hurt something, her powers would rival the great Phoenix.
Fire wouldnt help, although phoenix can fly through space and breath that is equal to storm flying through space, phoenix the entity and body detect their opponents and their power is that detection, but what they detect doesnt initially detect them. Storm encassing phoenix in a vacuume dome of Mach wins would simply defuse Phoenix and Jean Grey as human would die from lack of oxygen. Phoenix the Entity apparently has the same ability as Storm, using cosmic energy, creation(new atmospheres, allowing new life) and destruction, taking away vital air, making air toxic, sucking the current of life right out of them. Pressure domes that are impervious even to psychic attack, since there is no "it" for the charge to connect (connection of psychic energy to her psyche) That is why Storm would never go FULL rage..
i never sad anything about her beating phoenix i used phoenix as an example tho as you would use a metaphor, im saying that most people cat even phtathem storms potential which is why they shouldnt try to and thats y i say facts and scans r better XDD and i could careless if GS got on YEA I SAID IT!.now wat..ninjastar
Originally posted by stormultt
ok guys i think that in this fight we have apocalypes whos powers before the celestials kidnapped him XD r fully realized and what storm did as rogue-storm was absolutely nothing compared to what she could do if she went all out.....Storm would never show her fool power, not willingly anyway. Storms power goes beyond what most comic fans think of as a brief controlling of the weather. It superseeds anything we could imagine. Briefly: Storm can control cosmic winds, cosmic flares, and even tap into the CORE of our solar system, she can produce, control, and define all weather phenomena, natural and unnatural. She can even manipulate and control artificial weather patterns. She, however, can control and manipulate forces of energy to create new weather on barren planets. She can travel through space in her own atmosphere by manipulating hydrogen molecules so Normal travel for her is on Earth and Outerspace. She can breath in outerspace and underwater. She can also see in darkness and create toxic atmospheres by combining pollutants. Her full power would require her to give up all her worldy connections, like wanting to protect and save everyone, wanting to find love, wanting to have a family because this is the reason that she holds her force back the reason behind her weaknesses. Letting go would transform her into the element of nature. Elements cant reason nor do they submit control they rage furously until they decide to stop, until they get balanced. All the reasons why she must keep her emotions in check. Storm unleased would be like ending it all, and the thing is that she wouldnt have to be like a DarkStorm, because storms happen on Earth naturally and are only bad when they hurt something, her powers would rival the great Phoenix.Fire wouldnt help, although phoenix can fly through space and breath that is equal to storm flying through space, phoenix the entity and body detect their opponents and their power is that detection, but what they detect doesnt initially detect them. Storm encassing phoenix in a vacuume dome of Mach wins would simply defuse Phoenix and Jean Grey as human would die from lack of oxygen. Phoenix the Entity apparently has the same ability as Storm, using cosmic energy, creation(new atmospheres, allowing new life) and destruction, taking away vital air, making air toxic, sucking the current of life right out of them. Pressure domes that are impervious even to psychic attack, since there is no "it" for the charge to connect (connection of psychic energy to her psyche) That is why Storm would never go FULL rage..
If what-ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I applaud you considering the possibilities, man, but I don't think I could ever concede to possibilities versus what has actually happened. Personally, I think you're giving how much Storm can "cut loose" far too much credit and what "we could imagine" far too little credit.
I mean, how do you know Apocalypse isn't holding something back either? How do you know Phoenix's flames can be extinguished by a vacuum? How can you compare Storm flying through space by maintaining an atmosphere around her with Phoenix flying through space by being sustained by her own energy?
Most importantly: Why do all Storm debates go back to comparing her to Phoenix?
Originally posted by illadelph12
facepalmWhere did I state that Storm needed [b]telepathy
to beat Apocalypse, or that only a telepath could defeat him? I said "telekinesis", not "telepathy". And rearranging a costume of non-sentient unstable molecules doesn't count. They're designed specifically for that reason.Apocalypse can negate the effects of temperature by altering his density. Different materials conduct heat in different ways. Or he can simply go intangible or create a device from his being that absorbs and redirects the energy, hence my comment on his negation of her abilities
And also, all of Storm's powers are energy based. She's an elemental. She controls polarity, temperature, and energy fields to generate her effects with the weather. It was even stated on panel that Storm sees the world along the lines of polarity and energy fields iirc.
Props on defending your girl so steadfastly though. [/B]
i never said you said she needed it, but you did say.. and i quote, "Unless Storm has telekinesis at the sub atomic level..."
please tell me where changing unstabe molecules doesnt count as molecular manipulation.. she is manipulating the molecules of a matter which is the clothing she is wearing..
i said not all of storms powers are energy based. she can see the world as energy. and even still with her energy based powers how much can apoc take before calapsing?
storm can control powers on a cosmic scale without going rouge.
i beleive letting go of her humanity she will, like all other gain knowlege.
she also said that no power or entity could protect him[doom].
i beleive as rouge storm she can absorb energy aswell. reason why i say this is because she drained dooms armor.
Originally posted by stormfront
storm can control powers on a cosmic scale without going rouge.i beleive letting go of her humanity she will, like all other gain knowlege.
she also said that no power or entity could protect him[doom].
i beleive as rouge storm she can absorb energy aswell. reason why i say this is because she drained dooms armor.
To be honest if Doom knew he was facing her at this amount of power then he could've been well prepared and just shut off her X-Gene.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
But that was before Phoenix was what she is today. Back then Phoenix was an angry Jean, like high herald level or around there.
yeah i know, i beleive that is why she and phoenix are compared because that happened. i dot compare them. i beleive storm is and will be on her way to another level. i dont know where but ill wait.
Originally posted by stormfront
i never said you said she needed it, but you did say.. and i quote, "Unless Storm has telekinesis at the sub atomic level..."please tell me where changing unstabe molecules doesnt count as molecular manipulation.. she is manipulating the molecules of a matter which is the clothing she is wearing..
i said not all of storms powers are energy based. she can see the world as energy. and even still with her energy based powers how much can apoc take before calapsing?
Originally posted by stormfront
are you aware that not all of her attacks are energy based. she has shown resistance to some of the most powerful of telepaths. she has resisted posession before. so your saying only a telepath is the only mutant that can beat apoc??? storm has created clothing out of nothin and she has altered clothing out of its origional form. matter manipulation. and apoc only has that control over his body. thats if im not mistaken. to say he reverses temp or negates it is like saying he can stand on the sun. as rouge storm with unlimited power she is able to take her powers to the level it was not able to reach before. that being said storm could heat him to over the temp of the surface of the sun.. so i guess apoc can withstand that. she could crumble him in a pressure feild. once again not all her powers are energy based.
You must have confused telepathy (mind reading/mind control, etc) with telekinesis (the ability to move and rearrange objects with the power of the mind).
Also, changing unstable molecules of a costume specifically designed to rearrange from street clothes to uniform and vice versa though the application of the wearer's powers is not true matter manipulation. Reed Richards (the original inventor of unstable molecule costumes) created the costumes for that specific purpose back when the Fantastic Four originally got their powers, and it's been proliferated and become a staple of just about every Marvel hero team ever since. I'll see if I can find the scan in question when Reed explains it.
When I stated matter manipulation I meant transmutation of elements and changing one substance to something completely different. It's likely my fault for being to vague.
For a basic example, Storm can't turn a rose into a bar of gold.