Originally posted by jinzin
[B]He also said that Cap was enhanced, and felt the need to emphasize the super part of the SSS.
Indeed. Because Cap is super but not beyond what Marvel considers the maximum human level. Yes in real life its Superhuman but not in Marvel.
Notice the Dr. saying not superhuman.
So Cap is what a human might be able to become "one day" huh?
So Cap IS above the likes of gifted people like Batman and Daredevil NOW, who have both reached their limitations under those of Caps own?Yes, exactly, so if no one can touch Cap without enhancements then everything he does is outside the scope of human ability. This shouldn't have to be spelled out for you based on some bullshit semantics or theories of human evolution. The peak of of human potential IS SUPERHUMAN if Cap's the only one who can reach it.
Until Caps feats and physical level become the status quoa you can't continue to argue otherwise.
Remember Ed's quote that you brought in to this?? The ultimate human potential. He even said's the next step in human evolution. Were do you even think he got that idea. He didn't just make it up from thin air. Its from Captain America sentinel of liberty series. That also states next step in human evolution so whenever that happens humans can achieve Cap level stats.
Do you have a marvel statement backing that up that Cap is the only one that can reach it? Bet you don't. Shoot certain humans already have Cap defeated in certain area. Like Bullseye throws or Tasmasters photographic reflexes or Kingpins strength but there not a overall balance in stats like Cap.
What he is? Oh you mean like "enhanced"?..... no expression
Your right he's enhanced to the peak of human potential. Even Cap acknowledged once he lost his super strength from Vipers poison that he had to work out since he has no powers.
No I did not know that, and it does matter that I did not know that because in mulitudes of his original appearances it's also referenced as the super soldier serym, and there's multiple references to.... what's that? SUPER SOLDIERS. no expressionAgain, you're just taking one statement you think illigitimates Cap's low level superhuman status and ignoring the rest that support it... your perogative...
And what complaining? I know full well Marvel has the final say.. which is why you look like a fool when you ignore the fact that Marvel has repeatedly given Cap a title like "enhanced", and constantly showing him doing things way above and beyond the likes of his supposed peers.
Because him being above his peers doesn't change what he is the maximum level of a human thus it isn't really superhuman. I'm sure the max bench press right now is above the peers of people from much long long ago. Him being above them establishes well that he is the peak of human potential and that he isn't true superhuman at least not by marvel stance. Even other Peak human potential characters like Josaih X was called almost superhuman for a reason.
Uh...no..... Punisher taking like what? 3 punches from U.S. Agent isn't even remotely on the same level as the beatings she took from the Gorgon or the Superskrulls so... fail there.But yes, Punisher has an unnaturally high damage soak and durability level for a sheer human that's borderline superhuman. Cap still has superior feats to this, as does Elektra so your defection is rather lousy here.
Lol I bet it erks you that Elektra continuously hands Matt his ass when they throw down. lol And, I posted several feats of explosive strength or strength contests that couldn't be any less than superhuman in scope, especially given her frame.... I gave you my argument, and all you've done thus far is give me a big "nu-uh". Both Cap and Elektra have physical feats greatly outstripping those of their peers... Both have feats at a superhuman level even for comic book humans. Cap has flat out stated to be enhanced... You want to ignore that as well.. have fun.
Yeah he tooks those punches and was practically un-phased from Agent. Even Alfred took a beating and survived from Hyde doesn't mean his durability is better then Punisher. Fact is Elektra does not have superhuman strength and speed. None of the characters from Daredevil or Wolverine have never been impressed by her strength or durability, like they have for Cap or Logan who is at best very low level in Superhuman strength. And even Logan knew that Elektra was weaker and less faster then him. Elektra being superhuman in strength and durability is about as far fetched as it can get around these forums. Your right she does beat Matt with traps set and or distractions like brick walls. 🙂
