Originally posted by jinzin
Spoken like a true goofball. Wolverine gave Cap a workout before he even had enhancements, ogun training, or even wanted to fight the guy.... You think for one moment that an argument couldn't be made to demonstrate that Wolverine's a better fighter? Seriously...
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They shit on Wolverine.
Wolverine's over a century old. He's been trained by SHIELD, military, Samurai, and some others, he's got indestructable bones, he's immune to disease, fatigue, and drugs, he's fought in several wars, he's beat numerous super humans, almost regularly tangles with the Hulk.
If they were all locked in a cage, it goes CAP, WOLVERINE, BATMAN.
Batman is the only one who's strictly non-metahuman. Cap is TRUE peak, Wolverine is super-human but batshit, Batman's awesome but certain factors take this out of his reach. If it was on the streets that'd be one thing, but purely H2H assuming some kind of controlled environment; then he's the weakest link.
I'd say Cap eventually knocks Logan out, then eventually deals with Batman.
Cap wins. It's been proven before that he beats Logan. He'd do it again. And then he'd beat Bats.
Re: Wolverine vs Batman vs Captain america H2H ONLY
Originally posted by Darth_noodle
Batman with no gadgets, Captain America with no shield, and Logan with no Claws or healing factor. He still gets his Adamatium bones. This is pure H2H skill. Who is the better martial artist?
Under these circumstances I give it too Cap.
This is based on pure skill, so if we set this in a Dojo, and they take turns 1v1 each other, i say it can honestly go either way. Feats say they have comparable reaction times and hand speeds, OPE says they are all masters in their own right. As for actual displays of MARTIAL skill, Wolverine and Bats just pip Cap, in a Kumute setting like this id say possibly an even split. I mean these are 3 of the top 10 most written characters, so i guess what im saying is..Find me a Combat/H2H/Martial Arts/Reaction Speed/CQC feat of one of these guys that the OTHER two couldn't match.
A h2h fight to the death would be a different tale. But it's pure skill so i pictured it in a Dojo.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
would a bullet catch count?
You could use it..but then you'd have to tell me why the guy who caught the bullet gets hit in the face so much by punches that are moving WAAAY below bullet speed.
All 3 of these guys have their own Super High-end 1 off feats, obviously they have there super duper - low-end 1 off slumps, i think that if we used the happy medium, there feats would be very comparable.
Originally posted by Juk3n
You could use it..but then you'd have to tell me why the guy who caught the bullet gets hit in the face so much by punches that are moving WAAAY below bullet speed.All 3 of these guys have their own Super High-end 1 off feats, obviously they have there super duper - low-end 1 off slumps, i think that if we used the happy medium, there feats would be very comparable.
I think the bullet catch wasn't even in continuity IIRC it was a cross over or something. I think in stats in strength and speed Logan and Cap are pretty darn close. IMO in skill Cap is a bit better then Logan and Batman is a bit better then Cap. But all three are so skilled it would be hard to tell.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I think the bullet catch wasn't even in continuity IIRC it was a cross over or something. I think in stats in strength and speed Logan and Cap are pretty darn close. IMO in skill Cap is a bit better then Logan and Batman is a bit better then Cap. But all three are so skilled it would be hard to tell.
I'm fairly certain that Logan is the only one of these guys with actual, real and confirmed superhuman reaction speeds.
The average human's reaction time is about 215 milliseconds (ms). Peak human, as in the 99.9th percentile, got around 120 ms. Logan was clocked at 38 ms just after his adamantium upgrade from Weapon X. Huge difference. And obviously has improved his physical stats since that time period.
This takes place during Weapon X: First Class #2. So, while I think that all three are pretty comparable in terms of skill...I'd say Logan's superhuman speed gives him enough edge for the majority win here.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm fairly certain that Logan is the only one of these guys with actual, real and confirmed superhuman reaction speeds.The average human's reaction time is about 215 milliseconds (ms). Peak human, as in the 99.9th percentile, got around 120 ms. Logan was clocked at 38 ms just after his adamantium upgrade from Weapon X. Huge difference. And obviously has improved his physical stats since that time period.
This takes place during Weapon X: First Class #2. So, while I think that all three are pretty comparable in terms of skill...I'd say Logan's superhuman speed gives him enough edge for the majority win here.
@ the 38 ms feat, this would be an example of an extreme high-end reaction time feat, it's not depicted as the norm. Im not doubting he's got superhuman reactions, no doubt he has, but in terms of having that reaction in a h2h fight (which is clearly not present in any fight he's ever had with anyone who has ever struck him YET not been as fast as 38ms) these guys are comparable. They've all dodged bullets/lazah fya/punches/kicks/heat vision/sniper shots, and yet been hit by big lumbering bohemoths like the tree trunk arm of Hulk for example.
Is say this all comes down to personal pref' trying to prove - feat wise - one above another isn't likely.
Originally posted by Juk3n
but in terms of having that reaction in a h2h fight (which is clearly not present in any fight he's ever had with anyone who has ever struck him YET not been as fast as 38ms)
Except it was in a H2H fight where he was clocked like that. And yes, all of them have those bullet dodging and other insane feats. But this was a hard example with actual numbers, indicating that Wolverine operates at a superhuman level of reaction speeds, when he wants to. If he wanted to in this fight, I see no reason why he would not. And Batman and Cap cannot match that, because they're peak human. He's simply physically above them by a small margin. Because the skill is probably a toss up, I think that would give Logan a serious advantage.