Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Phoenix can produce no patronus. Dementors pwn her. Pretty simple. You keep ignoring the FACT that the only thing that defeats a dementor is a Patronus.
The only spell that defeats a Dementor is Patrianus, mutant powers are not spells, though they do defy the laws of physics.
Edit: That and the wizards under mental control.
Originally posted by Robtard
And you assume that Xavier will both be alone and that Voldermort will somehow know his very exact location where he can just poof in behind him, how convenient. This is B.S. and you know it.Xavier can mind-rape at the speed of a thought once the fight starts.
So Xavier is like hiding back at the X school while the battle ensues? Answer me this, when Xaveir mind raped the mall full of people, where was he?
Xavier cannot mind rape Voldemort. Deal with it. Xavier will mind rape for maybe a second or two, then Voldemort will kill him. But hey, keep ignoring that if it works for you.
Originally posted by Robtard
The only spell that defeats a Dementor is Patrianus, mutant powers are not spells, though they do defy the laws of physics.Edit: That and the wizards under mental control.
You just said it, mutant powers are not spells, there is not an ounce of magic in mutant powers. Dementors are controlled by magical means. No magic, no dememtor control.
You keep ignoring how Xavier will be surrounded by powerful mutants who can easily kill Voldemort the moment he appears.
You keep ignoring how Jean aand Xavier, two extremely powerful telepaths can take over the minds of the DA, those who can produce a patronus, but aren't skilled in Occlumency and Leglimency.
You keep ignoring things like that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Xavier is like hiding back at the X school while the battle ensues? Answer me this, when Xaveir mind raped the mall full of people, where was he?Xavier cannot mind rape Voldemort. Deal with it. Xavier will mind rape for maybe a second or two, then Voldemort will kill him. But hey, keep ignoring that if it works for you.
He'd be in the school, and Voldermort wouldn't know his exact location, that is the point.
So your 'he just poofs in behind Xavier and kills him then leaves the second the fight starts' is faulty and you know it.
If he somehow through some illogical luck happened to poof in behind Xavier right when the fight starts, Phoenix, Nightcrawler, Iceman, Cyclops and many others would destroy him before he uttered his first syllable. Edit: Correction, he might get 'Ava-da' out, maybe.
Originally posted by KingD19
You keep ignoring how Xavier and Jean can take over the minds of the wizards, can see Dementor's through their eyes. And if Voldemort tries to do that to Xavier at the start of the fight, he'll be surrounded powerful mutants who can kill him within the time it takes him to cast the spell.
Really? So mind control gives you the victims powers? In that case, Voldemort Legilimens Phoenix, turns her on the mutants dooooooooooooooooooooh.
And what good will this do them? Hmm? They still have no defense against the Dementors. The Dementors will be on Phoenix quicker than shit, she wont have a chance to mind control anyone.
Considering the Dementors move slow as shit, it doesn't play out like that.
And do you really think Voldy can take over the mind of a telepath on her caliber?
And yes, with basic knowledge of their enemy, if, my mistake, when Xavier and Jean get in their heads, they can make them perform the spell to make the Dementors leave, is it really that hard for you to comprehend?
Originally posted by KingD19Considering Phoenix is never shown using uber speed, it plays out exactly like that.
Considering the Dementors move slow as shit, it doesn't play out like that.And do you really think Voldy can take over the mind of a telepath on her caliber?
And yes, with basic knowledge of their enemy, if, my mistake, when Xavier and Jean get in their heads, they can make them perform the spell to make the Dementors leave, is it really that hard for you to comprehend?
Yes.
Moot point, they will be killed/incapacitated before they can use their mind powers.
And you still ignore that this takes place in a huge mansion, the wizards have to see/find a mutant before they can target them with a spell and that Xaviar (and the other telepath mutants) doesn't, the fight starts and he's instantly finding minds and controlling or attacking them.
Those few wizards that have occlumency, have to actively resist his mental powers, it isn't an automatic always on power that they don't think about. So they're not going to be attacking anyone. Even if so, they'd be fighting/defending against other wizards a few seonds into the fight.
Originally posted by RobtardIt is a castle, not a mansion.
And you still ignore that this takes place in a huge mansion, the wizards have to see/find a mutant before they can target them with a spell and that Xaviar (and the other telepath mutants) doesn't, the fight starts and he's instantly finding minds and controlling or attacking them.Those few wizards that have occlumency, have to actively resist his mental powers, it isn't an automatic always on power that they don't think about. So they're not going to be attacking anyone. Even if so, they'd be fighting/defending against other wizards a few seonds into the fight.
The fight being in Hogwarts is uber advantage wizards. Harry and the wizards will have the Marauders map and will see where each and every mutant is at all times. Not to mention the wizards know the castle better, and will be able to access places the mutants cannot follow. If they see Deadpool on the map, "Accio Deadpool!!!" and death spell his ass. Same for NC, Phoenix, and every other mutant. No way they can resist it.
Dude, it doesnt matter if only one, two or three wizards have Occlumency, Voldy will kill Xavier right away, you keep ignoring that and go back to his mind rape. He will never have a chance to employ it, he will be dead in the opening seconds of the fight. There is no counter to this, movie feats and evidence back it up 100%. You just dont want to admit it and are tap dancing around it.
Again, those that can resist Xavier's control have to actively do so, they can't resist and then poof about while casting spells at their leisure. Occlumency is a magical power, it needs to be employed, once they cast another spell, Xavier gets access to their mind.
You of course will ignore the shown limits of the wizards spells and just say "Xavier will die a second into the fight."
Lol I wasn't sure if RJ was trolling or being a fanboy. Now I know its quite obviously the former.
Lol Voldy teleports behind Xavier, and how does he know where he is?
And assuming he somehow does, he is immediately disintegrated by Phoenix, game over.
Kitty can also protect Xavier by making him intangible.
There is also no answer to NC, Callsito, Kestrel, Deadpool and Quicksilver. Don't give us that slow spell bullshit. They are too fast to be hit by any spell, and your response is to use a spell that slows them down. That makes alot sense dun it?
Lol and Pyro will also rape. He can just stand in the doorway and send flames through an entire level.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, those that can resist Xavier's control have to actively do so, they can't resist and then poof about while casting spells at their leisure. Occlumency is a magical power, it needs to be employed, once they cast another spell, Xavier gets access to their mind.You of course will ignore the shown limits of the wizards spells and just say "Xavier will die a second into the fight."
Ah, so Xavier can track dementors with his mind, telepathically tell his team where the dementors are (while the Dementors are on the move BTW), mind rape everyone AND sense Voldemorts intent? But Voldemort cannot apparate and use Occlumency? When did Xavier become God? Nice double standard there. Xavier will have dementors swarming him (he has NO control over them BTW, no magical powers, no Patronus. No Patronus, he is screwed), he will be too busy TRYING to fight them to worry about Voldemort.
As I said and have PROVEN, Xavier goes down right away. Movie feats and evidence, things that are said and implied in the movies are all the evidence you need.
Originally posted by PlacidityTrolling? By providing proof that the wizards are too much for the mutants? K.
Lol I wasn't sure if RJ was trolling or being a fanboy. Now I know its quite obviously the former.
Lol Voldy teleports behind Xavier, and how does he know where he is?Maruaders map. As I said earlier, a wizard only needs to look at the map to see where all the mutants are at any time. Hell, All Voldemort needs to do is locate Xavier on the map, say "Accio Charles Xavier", and bring Xavier to him. Xavier will have no clue what is going on and Voldemort can death spell his crippled ass at leisure.
And assuming he somehow does, he is immediately disintegrated by Phoenix, game over.While Phoenix is being swarmed by Dementors? Patronus. No Patronus, she is toast. Fact.
Kitty can also protect Xavier by making him intangible.And you are sure Xaviers powers will work as he is intangible? He is never shown using his powers while intangible. I love movie feats.
There is also no answer to NC, Callsito, Kestrel, Deadpool and Quicksilver. Don't give us that slow spell bullshit. They are too fast to be hit by any spell, and your response is to use a spell that slows them down. That makes alot sense dun it?Marauders map, dude, it will show where they are even as they are TPing around. And you are forgetting that apparating is just as instantaneous as TPing.
"Accio Deadpool!!!! Accio Quicksilver!!! Accio Callisto"....death spell. No way in hell they can fight an Accio spell. They will be hurtled through the air, helpless, and when they are in sight, death spell. Quick and clean.
Lol and Pyro will also rape. He can just stand in the doorway and send flames through an entire level.Protego. Also, Dementors, flames will have no effect on them. Not to mention Protego shields.
In this fight, the Dementors are literally invincible. The mutants have no way of producing a Patronus. And please dont start with the whole "ZOMG Xavier mind rapes a wizard and makes them Patronus!!!" Xavier wont be around long enough to do anything. He will die quickly and with little or no pain.
Mhm. Everything I have said here is backed up by things we see in the movies or that are implied in the movies. Care to continue?
Let's talk about Dementors for a second....
There are many spells in the Harry Potter movies that can harm or potentially obliterate a foe. Reducto, Bombarda Maxima, Avada Kedavra, just to name a few. Little Ginny Weasley uses Reducto in the room of requirement and blasts a stone statue to ash. Now, having said that, why do wizards use Expecto Patronum to fight Dementors? Why? I'll tell you why. It is because Dementors are invulnerable to all other attacks. Yes, even Dark Phoenix's mega menstral tornado of terror. It would have no effect on them.
Now let's talk abut telepathic attacks on Dementors. Cannot be done. Why? Well, Voldemort is a master at Legilimency. He can, as stated in Order of the Phoenix, "Read ones mind, control it, unhinge it." If he can do this, why does he not control them? Or Dumbledore for that matter? Why? I'll tell you why, because Dementors are immune to telepathic attacks/commands. Even the great Charles Xavier has zero chance of controlling them.
Dementors are controlled by magical means. Not telepathy. And they are invincible to anything but a Patronus.
Sooooooo......to the mutants, the Dementors are literally invincible. Not to mention invisible.
This is why they would attack first, taking out Xavier and Phoenix. From there on, it's all downhill.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Marauders map, dude, it will show where they are even as they are TPing around. And you are forgetting that apparating is just as instantaneous as TPing."Accio Deadpool!!!! Accio Quicksilver!!! Accio Callisto"....death spell. No way in hell they can fight an Accio spell. They will be hurtled through the air, helpless, and when they are in sight, death spell. Quick and clean.
Lol Marauders map. How is that going to help them? Is everyone crowding around in the map taking a good look? By the time you apparate there, they would be somewhere else. And even if you get to the area of where they are kicking ass, theres no way they would be hit by the spell cause they are moving around too fast. More likely, they'll accidently hit a wizard ally.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm. Everything I have said here is backed up by things we see in the movies or that are implied in the movies. Care to continue?
So is everything that people have said for the Mutants. Fact of the matter is, Xavier and Phoenix can disable everyone faster than the main big dudes can use Death spell. Also, you like to argue her disintegration is "slow" even though it works at the speed of thought. She can also freeze everyone in place around her with her TK, and then "slowly" disintegrate them.
There are numerous other points that also have been ignored or answered with bullshit. One example is Kitty, she is pretty much unstoppable.
Originally posted by PlacidityThats the thing, a wizard wouldnt need to apparate there. they spot Deadpool on the map. Accio Deadpool. Deadpool is flying through the air. When he is in sight, death spell. There really is no way around this. Dunno what it takes to convince you.
Lol Marauders map. How is that going to help them? Is everyone crowding around in the map taking a good look? By the time you apparate there, they would be somewhere else. And even if you get to the area of where they are kicking ass, theres no way they would be hit by the spell cause they are moving around too fast. More likely, they'll accidently hit a wizard ally.
So is everything that people have said for the Mutants. Fact of the matter is, Xavier and Phoenix can disable everyone faster than the main big dudes can use Death spell. Also, you like to argue her disintegration is "slow" even though it works at the speed of thought. She can also freeze everyone in place around her with her TK, and then "slowly" disintegrate them.Again, Dementors. How many times must I say it? She is helpless against Dementors. And please, tell me in X Men 3 a scene where she kills someone faster than a death spell can be cast. I have already shown Bellatrix death spelling Sirius in less than a second. In the end battle, Phoenix's attacks are far from as fast as you say they are. Go ahead, post a vid, prove me wrong.
There are numerous other points that also have been ignored or answered with bullshit. One example is Kitty, she is pretty much unstoppable.Marauders map. Spot her. Accio her. Death spell her. She cannot phase if she is flying through the air. Even if she is phased into the ground, the map will show her location. Kitty is useless here. Also, she cannot see Dementors. I'd like to see her phase with a Dementor latched onto her mouth. With the Marauders map, every mutant can be seen, the wizard possessing it and those around him will know where each mutant is every second of the battle, even when they are teleporting or phasing.
Marauders map enables the wizards to pinpoint all mutants all the time. Dementors are invincible to mutants. Prove me wrong, Go ahead.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Marauders map. Spot her. Accio her. Death spell her. She cannot phase if she is flying through the air. Even if she is phased into the ground, the map will show her location. Kitty is useless here. Also, she cannot see Dementors. I'd like to see her phase with a Dementor latched onto her mouth. With the Marauders map, every mutant can be seen, the wizard possessing it and those around him will know where each mutant is every second of the battle, even when they are teleporting or phasing.
Sorry, spells don't work on the intangible.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Marauders map enables the wizards to pinpoint all mutants all the time. Dementors are invincible to mutants. Prove me wrong, Go ahead.
No, it allows the ONE wizard that is using it to track a mutant, Unless they are all crowding around the map like idiots. That doesn't solve the teleporting and fast mutant problem. Nightcrawler could be right in front of you and you still wouldn't be able to cast a spell on him because he is teleporting too fast. Same goes for speedsters.I think I've been repeating this over for some time now. The map doesn't do shit for the wizards in this situation.
Oh lets see, according to my map nightcrawler is in the next room.
*Apparates there*
Oh there he is!
*cast spell, but misses, because NC is constantly teleporting*.
Oh where is he now? Let me check my map cause I'm smart like that.
hmm it says he's right behind me... POW!