Ganon, Kratos, and Link vs Sephiroth, Dante, and Megaman.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It wouldn't be near that simple. |: Link could straight up tank most of Dante's hits, Dante wouldn't achieve anything significant without getting TK'd and owned first. Even if Ganon and Kratos let the two fight it out, my money has Link coming out on top.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Sappho, HoT Link can beat any one of team 2's members. The fastest thing in play are Link's arrows, which are fast enough to reach the sun in under 2 seconds. It takes light 8 seconds to reach the Earth from the sun. Do the math. o_O

Whoop-dee-do, Dante doesnt die from normal swords. Join the club. The Master Sword, however, is no ordinary sword and is DEFINITELY the most formidable and dangerous item to team 1 and team 2 in play.

Lastly, durability. Link can tank Ganondorf's blows. Need I say more? Any of Team 2's attacks are hardly that. If that isnt good enough for you, than Link can just down some Chatuae Romani and cast NL, and this match is over.

I never said it wasnt a normal sword. Dante has got stabbed by PLENTY of swords that arent normal... and still lived through it. I thought you played devil may cry before? He got stabbed by yamato... he got stabbed by rebellion... and he got stabbed by alastor.. i named 3 swords off the top of my head that arent normal, so what proof do you have that the master sword would kill dante?

Show me cannon proof of link tanking gannons blows. And lol at the romani, by the time link tries to drink that and activate nl, dante would have either impaled him/decapitate him. Why would you say something so foolish if you know dantes speed?

Originally posted by Aklis
Dante from DMC3 would probably not be able to take all of them, but he'd easily kill Link due to near-immortality and skill with the world's biggest sword-- His bullets are far faster than Link's arrows, and Link himself for that matter.

Even in DMC3 he beats powerful opponents, so I'd say that if he is smart about it, like Link, he'd take Ganon too. Kratos would rip the DMC3-version of Dante apart, though.

Sephiroth would solo Ganon and Link at the same time, and probably take Kratos too.

Megaman... Well, Kratos would devour him for breakfast.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Like Sin said, you're underestimating Ganon badly. There was a Ganon vs Dante thread, it lasted three posts, and Ganon won it.

You're also underestimating Link, Dante's not shown the kind of strength it would take to one shot Link, while Link has the strength to crush Dante beyond regeneration. Link can react on super-sonic levels, and slow time to boot. He's not getting blitzed. If Dante runs in too quickly, like while Link is slowing time, he's going to get raped because the others on his team are too far behind.

The thing is you're working under the assumption Dante can actively decapitate or impale Link in a single blow. Stronger beings have tried.

Dante cannot kill Link quickly enough on his own. And in a fight between them, my money is still on Link. |: This is moot though, because at best, Dante's gettign off a couple attacks, and not doing much, before getting TK'd, and eating light arrow.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The thing is you're working under the assumption Dante can actively decapitate or impale Link in a single blow. Stronger beings have tried.

Dante cannot kill Link quickly enough on his own. And in a fight between them, my money is still on Link. |: This is moot though, because at best, Dante's gettign off a couple attacks, and not doing much, before getting TK'd, and eating light arrow.

Name 1 being, stronger and faster than dante, that tried to decapitate/impale link and could not do it. I would like to see proof of this.

Yes he can. All your saying is shit that link "can" do without giving me any proof, or how link would survive. Dante is much, much faster than link, and with qs it makes him so fast i doubt link would be able to see him. And all it takes is 1 attack from dante for link to be dead, you say he'll only get off a "couple" attacks, but you dont realize thats all it takes.

Dante's not strong enough to effectively kill Link in one attack, this is the problem with your argument.

No matter how fast Dante is, he's not strong enough to kill Link, who hangs with Ganon in close combat. If Dante could one shot Link, this would be impossible.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Dante's not strong enough to effectively kill Link in one attack, this is the problem with your argument.

No matter how fast Dante is, he's not strong enough to kill Link, who hangs with Ganon in close combat. If Dante could one shot Link, this would be impossible.

Are you purposely ignoring what im saying and not answering my questions to try and get me mad or something? I asked you to prove something for me, and you didnt, it seems like your trying to be irrelevant on purpose now.

Give me the best durability feat that link has, if you cant then ill take that as you conceding the arguement.

I dont give a damn about strength, just becuase link is strong doesnt mean he can tank a hit from dante, strength DOES NOT equal durability.
Your last senctence doesnt even make sense. Dante stopped savior's punch without putting to much effort in, which had to be around 100 tons (or more) of force. Name 1 durability feat that link has that shown him tanking 100+ tons of force on his neck or stomach, because thats where dante will be aiming for, and if you cant, then stop making claims that you cant back up.

You realise how strong Ganon is right, in order for Link to hang with him in combat, Link has to be durable, that makes sense.

Also, you don't get to decide when I concede an argument, if you don't like my argument find a flaw in it. So far you have only asserted that Dante's strong, that doesn't make him strong enough.

Edit: How about I give you a simple fact, Link's own strength would tear him apart if he weren't durable enough to handle the forces he could generate, let alone actually entering combat with Ganon.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You realise how strong Ganon is right, in order for Link to hang with him in combat, Link has to be durable, that makes sense.

Also, you don't get to decide when I concede an argument, if you don't like my argument find a flaw in it. So far you have only asserted that Dante's strong, that doesn't make him strong enough.

Edit: How about I give you a simple fact, Link's own strength would tear him apart if he weren't durable enough to handle the forces he could generate, let alone actually entering combat with Ganon.

So by your logic, since link can "hang" with ganon in combat, he can automatically tank 100 tons of force+ on his neck? Thats the most absurd thing ive ever heard. Link has no durability feats (or atleast great ones), especially not for his neck, so how is that going to keep him from getting decapitated by dante?

So your logic is that Link's neck must somehow be infinitely less durable than the rest of him? 😬

In order for Link to fight Ganon, he's consistantly dealing with the power of a 1000+ tonner, plus his own strength. He'd be crushed, or torn apart, if he were not durable. Why would his neck randomyl be made of paper mache, and the rest of him steel? -.O

Is that not common sense? You cant tell me that the neck is as strong as the abs can you.... there are parts of the body that are just weaker than other parts, for example the eyes are weaker than the arm, the finger is weaker then the leg. Links neck is a lot less durable, than lets say his back. And also just because link is extremely strong doesnt mean that his durability has to be as great, your logic is right, link does have to have some durability or he would get crushed, and link does, but if you believe that link can actually tank a 100+ ton strike from a sword coming at blinding speed at his neck then, im sorry to say, your an idiot.

until I see evidence otherwise, I'm inclined ot believe he can, sorry to say.

The forces he'd have to be capable of withstanding in such a fight are IMMENSE, let me go find one of my old posts to quote for an example of such forces.

Edit:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
PSI is the result of pound-foot force on a single inch of surface area, and a pound foot of force is equal to 1.3558179483314004 joules.

Link in OoT threw a granite block weighing 1388.994 tons at a speed of over 75 meters per second, with relative ease. For this exercise, I'll be rounding these numbers down to 1300 and 75.

To accellerate a block that heavy to that speed Link had to generate 3316894205 joules of energy. Ganon is stronger than even OoT Link with the gauntlets, and TP Link sword locked with Ganon. [AHAH, relevance!]

Now let's assume that TP Link is as strong as OoT Link. [He's actually stronger.], and Ganon for whatever reason, rather than resisting Link in the sword lock, remains static, thus it's only the reaction of Link's own action on the palms of his hands when he sword locks with Ganon in TP.

This is; 2446415618 foot-pounds of force, now divide by the area of his hands. let's assume for the pure lulz that the palms of his hands combine into a square foot of area. Divide by 144 for PSI and you get 16988997 from just his own down-rounded strength, spread over an impossibly large surface area, and this amount of force did no harm whatsoever to Link.

FYI, thats 8494 tons of PSI.

Edit: I laugh at the idea of a bullet hurting him. |:

This is from the sims vs TP Link thread. But it applies to Link from OoT just as well.

Link's fingers can handle 8494 tons of PSI totally unscathed. His neck > his fingers, I'm guessing.

Further editing: It's only common sense for a character's strength to match up reasonably well with their strength, anyway. Any character in fiction follows this rule. The Hulk, Supes, Spiderman, their strength and durability all sit at similar levels relative to their strength. [Otherwise they'd kill themselves by accident.]

Sappho wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 10:44 PM:
Sorry to bother, but your probably one of the few people that actually makes sense in this place. Scream paste is actually claiming in the kratos, g-dorf, link vs. megaman, dante, seph thread that link can tank a full on sword shot in the neck from dante. Is this in anyway true?

I was called to this thread, and no, Screampaste is taking out his maths and adding it to a fictional object to try and heighten Links strength and even his durability. The event itself has been debated several times into the ground....

First it may not be canon, the rock is the same every time as well which means its not necesserily consisten featt even if it is canon, it could just be a puzzle.

Adding accurate (questionable) maths to a fictional object that may not even be serious and could indeed be simply a puzzle event and not an actual canonic and important feat for Link is redundant, hell the developers do not even point out the weight of the rock in question and Link never does something close again in his games, or show any other strength feat while using the gauntlets.

Links neck is fair game for any sword, certainly Dante's

Originally posted by Burning thought
I was called to this thread, and no, Screampaste is taking out his maths and adding it to a fictional object to try and heighten Links strength and even his durability. The event itself has been debated several times into the ground....

First it may not be canon, the rock is the same every time as well which means its not necesserily consisten featt even if it is canon, it could just be a puzzle.

Adding accurate (questionable) maths to a fictional object that may not even be serious and could indeed be simply a puzzle event and not an actual canonic and important feat for Link is redundant, hell the developers do not even point out the weight of the rock in question and Link never does something close again in his games, or show any other strength feat while using the gauntlets.

Links neck is fair game for any sword, certainly Dante's

So your argument against the math is that it's fictional and we can't really say its heavy? Kain's fictional. So is all of his magic. We can't really say its powerful.

The bold just made me lol.

"Pick up this rock" is not a puzzle. If that is your definition of a puzzle, no wonder you don't play Zelda.

The math can't be rounded down any farther. Simply put, that rock was at least that heavy.

Each Link is different, most other Links being weaker does not matter here at all.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So your argument against the math is that it's fictional and we can't really say its heavy? Kain's fictional. So is all of his magic. We can't really say its powerful.

The bold just made me lol.

"Pick up this rock" is not a puzzle. If that is your definition of a puzzle, no wonder you don't play Zelda.

The math can't be rounded down any farther. Simply put, that rock was at least that heavy.

Each Link is different, most other Links being weaker does not matter here at all.

We can say its heavy, we cant say an exact tonage because the developers did not, they may not have seriously wanted Link to be a 1k tonner, or have skin durable enough to survive 8k tonnes of force....no...

And your counter does not even make sense...

Simply put, that rock if it was in our world was at least that heavy, its not in our world and its not our fiction, so it doesnt matter if his maths is correct, is not until the developers point out the weight of the rock. All we know so far for fact is its a large piece of granite.

Ofcourse it does, because its still a similiar universe and story and they still fight ganon, if one link could survive 8k tonnes of force and others could not there would be a greater diffrence between their fighting styles, they wouldnt use so many items either, such high numbers used for Link would not make sense in his own universe.

You cant play off the fact that the game (any of them) does not support or have 100% realistic physics then take into account very specifically using maths the weight of a rock.

But the rock is stated as granite...

It makes perfect sense. "The rock is the same every time" + "but its not consistent" = "lol"

So now you want to say that weights cannot be judged on size. Which potentially nullifies almost every strength feat ever used on these boards unless the weight of any object lifted is stated.

No other Link clashed swords with Ganondorf.

The physics of the feat aren't really inaccurate. What is inaccurate are the little details.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
But the rock is stated as granite...

It makes perfect sense. "The rock is the same every time" + "but its not consistent" = "lol"

So now you want to say that weights cannot be judged on size. Which potentially nullifies almost every strength feat ever used on these boards unless the weight of any object lifted is stated.

No other Link clashed swords with Ganondorf.

The physics of the feat aren't really inaccurate. What is inaccurate are the little details.

It is indeed, but not that it is indeed 1k tonnes, so we know its heavy granite, thats it.

You didnt understand what I said did you? I said its not a consistent feat, the rock he lifts in canon (if its canon) is exactley the same as the optional ones, its not likely storyline strength, its just like a random key that may not be canon for the actual storyline.

They can, its just redundant to use maths and logic in a fictional game, the rock may not be under exactley the same rules the real world is under.

So your saying this is the only link to have struck Ganondorf?

Originally posted by Burning thought
It is indeed, but not that it is indeed 1k tonnes, so we know its heavy granite, thats it.

You didnt understand what I said did you? I said its not a consistent feat, the rock he lifts in canon (if its canon) is exactley the same as the optional ones, its not likely storyline strength, its just like a random key that may not be canon for the actual storyline.

They can, its just redundant to use maths and logic in a fictional game, the rock may not be under exactley the same rules the real world is under.

So your saying this is the only link to have struck Ganondorf?

So you agree with all the points, but not with the conclusion that they lead to.

No, two are required, one is not. It's canon, it is required gameplay. It has to happen for you to beat the game.

Which brings it back to the point of nullifying every other feat in a video game that was not stated to have a specific number. Maybe that castle that Mario lifted wasn't made of rock quite as heavy as rock in our world, I guess we can't say it is because the castle didn't have a specific weight stated. Do you see the problem here?

I actually meant the sword lock with Ganondorf in Twilight Princess there. Ocarina of Time Link's best strength feat is the rock. Link is strong in every game, but he has definitely had some varying strength feats.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So you agree with all the points, but not with the conclusion that they lead to.

No, two are required, one is not. It's canon, it is required gameplay. It has to happen for you to beat the game.

Which brings it back to the point of nullifying every other feat in a video game that was not stated to have a specific number. Maybe that castle that Mario lifted wasn't made of rock quite as heavy as rock in our world, I guess we can't say it is because the castle didn't have a specific weight stated. Do you see the problem here?

I actually meant the sword lock with Ganondorf in Twilight Princess there. Ocarina of Time Link's best strength feat is the rock. Link is strong in every game, but he has definitely had some varying strength feats.

Not with your conlusion on what they lead to nor their backing.

You having to do something does not necesserily make canon....

No Mario is simply under toonforce, which negates the feat to a degree in a real world, os yes it is under diffrent rules completly. So no, I see why I am right.

Screampaste uses Link slashing through Ganon several times or Ganon knocking his sword away in OoT for strength feats for Ganon surviving damage and having strength enough to disarm Link...he then proceeds to think this means all Links who have drawn swords with him, at least those that strike with him physically have thousands of tonnes of strength 🙄

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not with your conlusion on what they lead to nor their backing.

You having to do something does not necesserily make canon....

No Mario is simply under toonforce, which negates the feat to a degree in a real world, os yes it is under diffrent rules completly. So no, I see why I am right.

Screampaste uses Link slashing through Ganon several times or Ganon knocking his sword away in OoT for strength feats for Ganon surviving damage and having strength enough to disarm Link...he then proceeds to think this means all Links who have drawn swords with him, at least those that strike with him physically have thousands of tonnes of strength 🙄

But that's the only possible conclusion. You just said "I disagree with logic."

I see, and your claim of Toonforce is based one what? Mario can toss Bowser like a play thing. He can always do this canonically since its always the same Mario and Bowser. We'd technically have to negate the fact that Bowser's size has changed from game to game.

ScreamPaste uses that for several reasons.

1. It's logical to assume that.
2. It's canon, and even in its own mini cutscene.
3. Its incredibly impressive for Ganondorf. Its the equivalent to classic Superman surviving multiple stab wounds from a sword made of pure Kryptonite.

No, ScreamPaste has never said that all Links are that strong. He's only ever claimed that Adult OoT Link is strong, and that TP Link is stronger still. TP Link is the only one he's ever said is strong based on sword locking with Ganondorf, since TP Link is the only one to have ever done that.

The bold is you contradicting yourself in a single sentence by the way.

Toon force is still a feat no matter how you want it gone.

I love how BT has HORRIBLY misconstrued my post. He clearly has a problem with reading comprehension.