Kratos vs Link

Started by Burning thought16 pages

Yet they did not bother creating any other scenes other than those using those rocks, i think its obvious its supposed to be a feat of strength, but not 1000+ ton strength, perhaps a few tons, just like the Zelda wikia points out but not that high regardless of math. Until I see Link actually use this strength for a variety of things other than tossing rocks ill simply base it on what it really is, an overestimated feat taken too seriously on an old and not necesserily accurate game.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
He killed his family by accident. He was in a blind rage from Ares' influence, and was brought to a temple where his family was, and they were lured TO the temple BY Ares SO Kratos could kill them. It was all a part of ARES' plan to sever all ties Kratos had that could have kept him from becoming stronger.

Yeah, and the fact that he couldn't really see. Kratos could possibly be evil. I mean, he killed innocents out of the name of Ares.

Its not fair to call Kratos evil, hes a guy whos been through a lot, its no doubt he is bad tempered and does not take crap. Thing is, most of his life has been nothing but war, thats what Spartans are tought, thats all they really knew, does it mean their evil? no.....

Combine that with Ares, who is cruel and whos element made Kratos into this blood thirsty killer, means that its Kratos being controlled and manipulated, not Kratos doing it because hes a cruel bstard.

The fact he did what you said above Valiant, all those feats of bravery for the gods, stopping untold enemies and defeating so many monsters, think of how many lives he has saved by destroying such powerful and cruel threats.

Hard life doesn't excuse evil acts, BT. Sorry. If I get raped as a child is it neutral for me to rape people when I grow up?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not fair to call Kratos evil, hes a guy whos been through a lot, its no doubt he is bad tempered and does not take crap. Thing is, most of his life has been nothing but war, thats what Spartans are tought, thats all they really knew, does it mean their evil? no.....

Combine that with Ares, who is cruel and whos element made Kratos into this blood thirsty killer, means that its Kratos being controlled and manipulated, not Kratos doing it because hes a cruel bstard.

The fact he did what you said above Valiant, all those feats of bravery for the gods, stopping untold enemies and defeating so many monsters, think of how many lives he has saved by destroying such powerful and cruel threats.

Yes, and then take into account all the actions in the numbered games of the series, where any and all interactions with humans end with him needlessly slaughtering them, without Ares influence pushing him to do so. Hardly what I would call virtuous.

That doesn't change the fact that maybe he could be evil. Killing innocents out of someone's name isn't good. Even as a child Gaia stated that he was a bastard child.

Athena: We promised your sins would be forgiven, and so they are, but we never
promised to take away your nightmares. No man, no god could ever
forget the terrible deads you have done.
Obviously, he was pissed because the gods didn't want to take away his nightmares. If Ares didn't push him, how do you know that he wouldn't still be evil?

I cant remember him needlessly slaughtering them outside of gameplay, does he do this? I cant remember tbh.

And Screampaste your view is very narrow, your looking at it as if it was an alignment, remember GOW is a mature game, the view of good and evil are points of view, it can be argued that you being brought up with people that are cruel or wicked does not mean its fair to call you the same if thats all youve known, since youve not had any chance to be any other way. Evil, Good, neutal, all fairly redundant terms when looked at in a mature and accurate way.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I cant remember him needlessly slaughtering them outside of gameplay, does he do this? I cant remember tbh.

And Screampaste your view is very narrow, your looking at it as if it was an alignment, remember GOW is a mature game, the view of good and evil are points of view, it can be argued that you being brought up with people that are cruel or wicked does not mean its fair to call you the same if thats all youve known, since youve not had any chance to be any other way. Evil, Good, neutal, all fairly redundant terms when looked at in a mature and accurate way.

Redundant? Hardly. More complex? Most definitely. Outside of gameplay feats of unnecessary discompassion for humans can be found twice in GoW1 with the captain of the ship. That point was already brought up somewhere in here, I think.

No they cant be any more than redundant because at the end of the day their just morales and usually what people believe is good or evil are what they have been brought up on believing. The Captain? just one man, a fairly pathetic and useless man who fled while leaving his people to stand alone fighting off the beast? there comes to a point where you start blaming this man for his deeds just like its okie for Kratos to butcher minotaurs and monsters, perhaps this man fits the bill.

BT, you're reaching. 😐 Kratos is evil. And would especially be counted as evil by the master sword, so his own opinion doesn't matter.

Opinion resistance?

How could you possibly know the Master swords opinion, the Master sword is based on rules of the LoZ world, infact from whats seen the LoZ is obvioulsy just a childish view on Good and Evil, for example "Ganon King of evil" and the character himself is obvioulsy evil when concerning a more immature viewpoint, the game itself outlines him as "evil", what evil actually means to LoZ is unkown.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
BT, you're reaching. 😐 Kratos is evil. And would especially be counted as evil by the master sword, so his own opinion doesn't matter.

Opinion resistance?

its not like its going to be an instant kill. the mastersword allows link to face evil and be immune to curses from evil.

Kratos is more of a Jerk than Ganon. The sword works off of the rules of LoZ.

This is just one of those irrelvent debates, everyone knows Kratos smashes Link to bits but his fans will happily debate small and pointless arguments just so they dont have to say Kratos wins. Who said Ganons title of being evil was anything to do with him being a Jerk?

You missed the point, Kratos does more evil crap per capita than Ganon. 😐

And it's hardly that black and white, BT.

Well explain, show me why Ganon actually got the term "evil", and as has been established, evil is a point of view, how about Ganon, does he think he is evil?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You missed the point, Kratos does more evil crap per capita than Ganon. 😐

And it's hardly that black and white, BT.

the sword concept is paint black and white. its just one evil and one good. not neutral nor other kinds of spectrum, just plain evil and good.

face it, the sword is a close minded, bigot.

A bigot that follows the ideas of a very immature fantasy spectrum of Good/evil, I wouldnt be surprised if Ganon is just called "evil" and given the most basic of cruel and warlike behaviours as what is usually seen as "evil" in light minded fantasies.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well explain, show me why Ganon actually got the term "evil", and as has been established, evil is a point of view, how about Ganon, does he think he is evil?
Ganon's actually a very well devloped character, he's evil cause he wants to take over the world.

The sword might be a bigot, but it does work.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon's actually a very well devloped character, he's evil cause he wants to take over the world.

The sword might be a bigot, but it does work.

so your admitting that the sword concept is Simplistic and has no other spectrums of good and evil? thanks.