Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06So he's a sociopath, still evil. It'd have infact been just as easy to grab the key and pull the captain all of, what, two feet? with Kratos' strength, and they meet multiple times.. Lol. Kratos is evil, there's no way aroudn that and just because he doesn't thin khe is doesn't make him non-evil. No one intentionally does evil, Hitler didn't think he was evil, but that bastard was evil.
No, that wasn't malice, that was a matter of priority. Kratos returned for the key, not to drop the guy down just for the sake of amusement, it was out of the fact that he had no need to use the captain, only the key. Sadism is taking amusement in seeing and causing death and destruction. If everything he did was for the sake of amusement, then he would actually be shown revelling in the countless deaths he leaves in his wake; Kratos doesn't even smile, let alone show implication of emotion towards killing someone. Again, indifference. Cruel indifference, no less, but not sadism.
He killed his family by accident. He was in a blind rage from Ares' influence, and was brought to a temple where his family was, and they were lured TO the temple BY Ares SO Kratos could kill them. It was all a part of ARES' plan to sever all ties Kratos had that could have kept him from becoming stronger.
Originally posted by ScreamPastei people in germany didn't think hitler was evil does that make them evil?
So he's a sociopath, still evil. Ht'd have infact been just as easy to grab the key and pull the captain all of, what, two feet? with Kratos' strength, and they meet multiple times.. Lol. Kratos is evil, there's no way aroudn that and just because he doesn't thin khe is doesn't make him non-evil. No one intentionally does evil, Hitler didn't think he was evil, but that bastard was evil.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link fought Ganon as a human and beast in OoT, not just one, so yes, he fought both forms of Ganon, and those are the forms that we use in debates.Ganondorf [human form] in OoT needs to be stunned just to be able to get through his defenses with Link's sword.
Ganon [beast form] disarms Link with a single swing in the same game. 😐
Ganondorf is stronger then Link even with the golden gauntlets in canon, and in TP the only reason Link could overpower him is because Ganon had been weakened from three rounds of fighting prior. It's still incredibly impressive, but unquantifiable, just like Kratos holding apart Atlas fingers, we have no idea how hard Atlas actually squeezed.
We use the human form capable of magic, we use the latest form, has Ganon transformed into the same beast and blocked Link with the golden gauntlets in the latest variations of him?
But is there a canon cutscene of Ganondorf blocking or surviving Links hits with the Golden gauntlets? as I said, please show me, dont just tell me.
I know, thats a beast form that we dont usually use, I highly doubt Ganon has done all his feats especially magical ones in each form.
Is this proven? and when? all ive seen Link fight with the Gauntlets on and actually beating is the beast in that old video.
And evil is a point of view no matter the person or the act
Originally posted by PhanterosActually, due to the debt the first world war had put Germany in, Hitler seemed like help to them because he proimised them freedom and better lives, and MANY Germans disagreed with him, but let's not get poltical, you see my point.
i people in germany didn't think hitler was evil does that make them evil?
Not believing yourself to be evil doesn't make you innocent.
Originally posted by ScreamPastelook at my chart above.
Actually, due to the debt the first world war had put Germany in, Hitler seemed like help to them because he proimised them freedom and better lives, and MANY Germans disagreed with him, but let's not get poltical, you see my point.Not believing yourself to be evil doesn't make you innocent.
Originally posted by Phanteroskratos is neutral(this is from DaD
😆 Are you sure you want to get me started on D&D alignment? Kratos is most definitely not true neutral. I would say he's, at best, chaotic neutral. He seeks to overthrow the ultimate of power law (the gods) for his own personal vendetta, and cares little about who he has to save or kill to attain his goal.
Edit: Damn it Scream, you stupid sock! Quit sniping me! XP
Originally posted by XanatosForever
😆 Are you sure you want to get me started on D&D alignment? Kratos is most definitely not true neutral. I would say he's, at best, chaotic neutral. He seeks to overthrow the ultimate of power law (the gods) for his own personal vendetta, and cares little about who he has to save or kill to attain his goal.Edit: Damn it Scream, you stupid sock! Quit sniping me! XP
Edit; you're MY sock. :]
Originally posted by ScreamPasteno you are once again trying to put Kratos in a spectrum he isn't in. evil is a wide term. you can't just call someone evil without looking at there past to see why they are the way they are
It's funny you mention D&D, "By any means necessary" is a phrase under chaotic evil in the PHB.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So he's a sociopath, still evil. It'd have infact been just as easy to grab the key and pull the captain all of, what, two feet? with Kratos' strength, and they meet multiple times.. Lol. Kratos is evil, there's no way aroudn that and just because he doesn't thin khe is doesn't make him non-evil. No one intentionally does evil, Hitler didn't think he was evil, but that bastard was evil.
That's even more arguable. If Kratos was told to save the ship captain by the Gods or something, he probably would have. The fact that they meet multiple times is simply the closest semblance to comic relief that the God of War series has in its plot, and more a testament to the fact that he only kills that which STANDS IN HIS WAY, not every single thing that so much as darts an eyelid at him (i.e., Perseus, who Kratos ignored during his whole rant, and prior to it, even stepped out of his way to let him get on with his own business). No one in Greek Mythology is evil by any standard, just their conflicts born of humanly emotion is often exaggerated to a struggle. That's the case with God of War as well. If something doesn't involve Kratos, he won't GET involved unless told to or if it's said to benefit his goal. He's not sadistic, he's not malicious, he doesn't kill primarily to make others suffer, or to give himself amusement.