A,M,M,D,C Vs. L,G,K,S,C

Originally posted by Utrigita
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I don't quite follow you here... I mean Malfurion have to my knowlegde also shown that he is capable of communicating with the land, perhaps not to as great as extent as Cenarius but still enough to know where Starkiller is moving around, and Malfurion is just as capable of Lightning Storm and tree ants summoning as Cenarius.

Malfurion did not discover Xavius when he searched for Tyrande. True though that Malfurion was far from an adept at the time he met Xavius, but Starkiller should have (Note "should have" rather than "has"😉 the ability to see Malfurion before he notices Starkiller. We've not actually seen Malfurion range very long with his communication. Cenarius is as in touch with nature as it gets, so he's unrivaled.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Malfurion did not discover Xavius when he searched for Tyrande. True though that Malfurion was far from an adept at the time he met Xavius, but Starkiller should have (Note "should have" rather than "has"😉 the ability to see Malfurion before he notices Starkiller. We've not actually seen Malfurion range very long with his communication. Cenarius is as in touch with nature as it gets, so he's unrivaled.

Wasn't Xavius also blessed by Sargeras and turned into a Satyr??? iirc that had something to do with it, but not sure, but my main point is that we must assume that Malfurion will be just as capable of sensing Starkiller (since Starkiller is basically only a human) as Starkiller will be capable of utilizing the force against Malfurion.

We did see that Malfurion was capable of summoning the forest spirits and then remote view Northrend and was also capable of sensing where the disruption originated from.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Archimonde will not resist, because as soon as Starkiller pushes Archimondes head will be down in his throat. No wonder he couldnt slow it down, he had already manipulated its movement into the ore cannon so his strength is spent by then. Archimonde is not as heavy as a stardestroyer.

A lot of fictional characters have abnormal reactions, unfortunaltey not all of them could keep up with a Jedi/sith.

All 3 have the same weakness, with some minor concentration Starkiller can create more force on their bodies than they can survive and quicker than they can react to nor can they do much against it at all. The can be said for Archimonde and Medihv.

He can't Force push his head down his throat. I'll point out that pushing and pulling are two seperate things, and again, Starkiller pulled the Star Destroyer. Didn't push or crush. If he wants to push Archimonde's head down his throat, he'd have to be positioned above him. That's how the Force works. If he wants to pull Archimonde, best he can do is pull Archimonde closer and possibly mess with his balance. Which is bad, since the closer Archimonde gets to Starkiller, the sooner Starkiller will die.

Not all, but there's nothing indicating that Starkiller is above either one of the two in that aspect. They both have predicted moves before they happened, just like Starkiller. They both have reacted to said moves, just like Starkiller. He can't be above them in that aspect, because he's done nothing that put him there.

I take it you didn't hear me when I said he can beat Deathwing and Malfurion 😐 I think you also missed the point I made about Cenarius taking him out long before Starkiller even knew he was there. I'd like to point out however, that Deathwing can take a shitload of damage. He withstood countless enhanced lightning strikes without so much as a scratch. That's an unknown number of million volts (10-120+ million) that impact with force enough to shatter large stones. Countless such impacts without as much as a dent.

I guess you also missed the point where Medivh melts Starkiller before he knew what hit him. Medivh has TK that surpass Starkiller, farsight that surpass Starkiller, echolocation that surpass Starkiller and spells that Starkiller can't protect himself from (Trust a Star Wars addict on this one)

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
He can't Force push his head down his throat. I'll point out that pushing and pulling are two seperate things, and again, Starkiller pulled the Star Destroyer. Didn't push or crush. If he wants to push Archimonde's head down his throat, he'd have to be positioned above him. That's how the Force works. If he wants to pull Archimonde, best he can do is pull Archimonde closer and possibly mess with his balance. Which is bad, since the closer Archimonde gets to Starkiller, the sooner Starkiller will die.

Not all, but there's nothing indicating that Starkiller is above either one of the two in that aspect. They both have predicted moves before they happened, just like Starkiller. They both have reacted to said moves, just like Starkiller. He can't be above them in that aspect, because he's done nothing that put him there.

I take it you didn't hear me when I said he can beat Deathwing and Malfurion 😐 I think you also missed the point I made about Cenarius taking him out long before Starkiller even knew he was there. I'd like to point out however, that Deathwing can take a shitload of damage. He withstood countless enhanced lightning strikes without so much as a scratch. That's an unknown number of million volts (10-120+ million) that impact with force enough to shatter large stones. Countless such impacts without as much as a dent.

I guess you also missed the point where Medivh melts Starkiller before he knew what hit him. Medivh has TK that surpass Starkiller, farsight that surpass Starkiller, echolocation that surpass Starkiller and spells that Starkiller can't protect himself from (Trust a Star Wars addict on this one)

Or he could just use the force to pull Archimondes head off his shoulders, it makes little diffrence, down his throat or bloody on the floor? infact I like the latter, it would likely dampen morale.

When have their reflexes been shown close ot his equel? Jedi reflexes VS a cumbersome dragon and Medihv who has shown what in reflex?

oh I did, I just pointed it out that all of them would be taken out without much trouble by Starkiller.

No you missed the point where Medihv has not shown any of these things, especially not in this thread and I dont just shrug my shoulders and accept anything people tell me and nobody gives me that either...

I would like any evidence of Medihvs precog but also his reaction time nad how quickly he can excert his powers before Starkiller just effortlessly waves his hand, smashing the old man deep beneath the earth and killing and burying him instantly.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Or he could just use the force to pull Archimondes head off his shoulders, it makes little diffrence, down his throat or bloody on the floor? infact I like the latter, it would likely dampen morale.

When have their reflexes been shown close ot his equel? Jedi reflexes VS a cumbersome dragon and Medihv who has shown what in reflex?

oh I did, I just pointed it out that all of them would be taken out without much trouble by Starkiller.

No you missed the point where Medihv has not shown any of these things, especially not in this thread and I dont just shrug my shoulders and accept anything people tell me and nobody gives me that either...

I would like any evidence of Medihvs precog but also his reaction time nad how quickly he can excert his powers before Starkiller just effortlessly waves his hand, smashing the old man deep beneath the earth and killing and burying him instantly.

You have absolutely nothing that is backing this claim up. Archimonde at maximum size walks the size of a mountain, highly durable and with magical skin that dampen physical damage. Archimonde withstood a tackle that tremored the entire region, throwing thousands of troops, demons and elves alike of their feet, without suffering any injury. Really, that is of greater force than a Star Destroyer has endured. So if the Star Destroyer didn't snap when Starkiller pulled it, neither will Archimonde.

The dragon has speedblitzed people at several occasions, battled numerous dragons at the same time, dodged spells and so, so I'd not use the word cumbersome.

Technically, Medivh isn't old. It's a matter of definition, but I'd not define around 40 as old. Push your 60's and I might consider it.

Addition: Of course a Star Destroyer has endured more, but not the actual hull. Starkiller lack the Force required to knock the head of someone like Archimonde. There's one thing knocking it back. Knocking it of someones shoulders is on a whole different level.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You have absolutely nothing that is backing this claim up. Archimonde at maximum size walks the size of a mountain, highly durable and with magical skin that dampen physical damage. Archimonde withstood a tackle that tremored the entire region, throwing thousands of troops, demons and elves alike of their feet, without suffering any injury. Really, that is of greater force than a Star Destroyer has endured. So if the Star Destroyer didn't snap when Starkiller pulled it, neither will Archimonde.

The dragon has speedblitzed people at several occasions, battled numerous dragons at the same time, dodged spells and so, so I'd not use the word cumbersome.

Technically, Medivh isn't old. It's a matter of definition, but I'd not define around 40 as old. Push your 60's and I might consider it.

lol your missing the point that a Stardestroyer is 1600 meters long, which is larger than pretty much any mountain, point out the actual height of Archimonde or are vague descriptions all we have? the Stareestroyer is also quite large and its cargo bay alone cna carry thousands of tons meaning its bay can survive that much without it being inhibited.

Archimonde would have to have a much better durabiltiy feat than some valley shaking before he can survive the weight of a stardestroyer or even half that much.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol your missing the point that a Stardestroyer is 1600 meters long, which is larger than pretty much any mountain, point out the actual height of Archimonde or are vague descriptions all we have? the Stareestroyer is also quite large and its cargo bay alone cna carry thousands of tons meaning its bay can survive that much without it being inhibited.

Archimonde would have to have a much better durabiltiy feat than some valley shaking before he can survive the weight of a stardestroyer or even half that much.

A Star Destroyer that impact ground barely cause enough tremor to shake the balance of those nearby the actual crash. The fact that Malorne sent thousands of widespread troops to the ground when he impacted Archimonde speaks a lot more for his durability than you appear to think. To even create a small tremor require extreme amounts of force, especially when the actual impact isn't even directly striking the ground.

The hull of a Star Destroyer is dented by crashing fighters. Even General Grievous damaged it when he was thrown at it. A single fighter blast penetrates the hull. The fact that Starkiller pulled the Star Destroyer without damaging it proves just how little damage a pull actually does. If he had the damage power you (ignorantly) seem to think he has, the Star Destroyer would be damaged no matter its size or weight.

You like logic, I've come to understand. Then logic this: The force that Jedi and Sith throw troopers, civilians and Force users Force push or pull is adequate to snap someones neck. Some has been thrown thrown so hard that they break metal and stone upon impacting it. Yet, their necks has never snapped. I can't think of a single case in all my reading and watching of Star Wars where a Force push or pull has snapped a neck (Or broken any bones, or inflicted an injuries for that matter either).

Force push and pull is more harmless than a slap across the face with the palm of your hand.

Originally posted by Burning thought
When have their reflexes been shown close ot his equel? Jedi reflexes VS a cumbersome dragon and Medihv who has shown what in reflex?

No you missed the point where Medihv has not shown any of these things, especially not in this thread and I dont just shrug my shoulders and accept anything people tell me and nobody gives me that either...

I would like any evidence of Medihvs precog but also his reaction time nad how quickly he can excert his powers before Starkiller just effortlessly waves his hand, smashing the old man deep beneath the earth and killing and burying him instantly.

Dodging a flying knife that comes from behind is enough to put Medivh at league with Starkiller. He also countered Khadgar, predicted Lothar and has answered questions before they were asked. Starkiller has nothing on Medivh.

I'm sorry to say, but Starkiller can't sense an invisible foe. This was proven when he battled Maris Brood. Even though Medivh is Galen superior in every way, he doesn't need to be. A single attack and Galen is dead, and Galen wouldn't even know from where it happened. He'll be a puddle on the ground before his brain even has the chance to tell him he was in pain.

As for your evidence, you ain't getting it. Even though I don't have the books, right now it's more for the reason that my interest in furthering this debate with you is hair thin. You know barely anything about Star Wars or Warcraft, so it was foolish of me to expect you able to debate them against eachother. Your past bunch of posts suffice to verify that for me.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
A Star Destroyer that impact ground barely cause enough tremor to shake the balance of those nearby the actual crash. The fact that Malorne sent thousands of widespread troops to the ground when he impacted Archimonde speaks a lot more for his durability than you appear to think. To even create a small tremor require extreme amounts of force, especially when the actual impact isn't even directly striking the ground.

The hull of a Star Destroyer is dented by crashing fighters. Even General Grievous damaged it when he was thrown at it. A single fighter blast penetrates the hull. The fact that Starkiller pulled the Star Destroyer without damaging it proves just how little damage a pull actually does. If he had the damage power you (ignorantly) seem to think he has, the Star Destroyer would be damaged no matter its size or weight.

You like logic, I've come to understand. Then logic this: The force that Jedi and Sith throw troopers, civilians and Force users Force push or pull is adequate to snap someones neck. Some has been thrown thrown so hard that they break metal and stone upon impacting it. Yet, their necks has never snapped. I can't think of a single case in all my reading and watching of Star Wars where a Force push or pull has snapped a neck (Or broken any bones, or inflicted an injuries for that matter either).

Force push and pull is more harmless than a slap across the face with the palm of your hand.

Dodging a flying knife that comes from behind is enough to put Medivh at league with Starkiller. He also countered Khadgar, predicted Lothar and has answered questions before they were asked. Starkiller has nothing on Medivh.

I'm sorry to say, but Starkiller can't sense an invisible foe. This was proven when he battled Maris Brood. Even though Medivh is Galen superior in every way, he doesn't need to be. A single attack and Galen is dead, and Galen wouldn't even know from where it happened. He'll be a puddle on the ground before his brain even has the chance to tell him he was in pain.

As for your evidence, you ain't getting it. Even though I don't have the books, right now it's more for the reason that my interest in furthering this debate with you is hair thin. You know barely anything about Star Wars or Warcraft, so it was foolish of me to expect you able to debate them against eachother. Your past bunch of posts suffice to verify that for me.

Its not a feat, sorry but it did no damage and its force is unkown, for all you know that was part of the actual attack and not simply impact force and considering Malorn is a being of nature, tremors are likely within his power set.

No because you see the Star destroyer is not being damaged, its being manipulated, Starkiller is moving that weight with the force, the weight of that thing on Archimonde would pummel him into the dirt.

Obvioulsy not when pulled by certain forces, your logic is weak sauce and it shows me why I am wasting time even trying to debate with you since you cannot see very far into the deepness of feats like a lot of people on this board, you cannot seem to see how perhaps their using less force when tossing a man, than they would use to pull a Stardestroyer? or do you think their using the same amount of force somehow? 🙄 dont try and use logic you cannot understand, Starkiller is hardly going to use the same force to throw a man on Archimonde, he would more likely use all his power, e.g. pulling Stardestroyers and splatter Archimonde.

WOAH! why didnt you say this before! Medihv dodged a knife! holy crap why didnt you say this before......

Or he would just react quicker than Medihv and strike with the force where Medihv attacked from, killing the man instantly.

"bla bla bla" yes ime sure your toddlers tantrum is interesting but you could have rounded this post off with "damn I cant prove anything I say so ill just sit and claim things anyway!" , what nonsense...well in this case Starkiller tossed a planet! yeh he did, its in a book I misplaced somewhere, its titled the "zomg book of Starkiller feats", if only I could find it so I could show you....

go and learn something of logic, learn the diffrence between forces required to control one object in comparison with another, learn some common sense and most of all, learn to read.

I'd say Kratos fights Archimond and beats him. Archimond is powerful but Kratos once Kratos engages him in Hand to Hand it is over. Archimond's magic is his only hope but it is still unlikely Archimond would be able to bring Kratos down before he gets close enough to start beating on him.
Link and Gannondorf could probably handle Cenarius and Malfurion long enough for Kratos to finsih Archimond and jump in.
I say Cloud would probably take on Deathwing like he does Bahamut in Advent Children.
Starkiller would definitely be my choice for team two to fight Medivh. He wouldnt win because Medivh simply has too much raw magical strength and his abilities are just to varied for him to be beaten by starkiller but he would be stalled long enough for some of the other fights to finish and then it's a matter of the numbers against him.Once Medivh drops it's game over for team 1.

Originally posted by NemeBro
There is more to debating than b!tching about proof believe it or not.

And Link is not very durable.

Not very durable? What about Young Link wearing dynamite on his face and detonating it (Blast mask)? Or just tanking bombs in general?
I'd say he is pretty durable, unless you had something else in mind.

Common bombs and dynamites don't compare to the firepower most in this thread has.

Ganondorf fist to the face then?

Narrows it down by half perhaps, from what I've heard of Ganondorf. Three being on team one.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Not very durable? What about Young Link wearing dynamite on his face and detonating it (Blast mask)? Or just tanking bombs in general?
I'd say he is pretty durable, unless you had something else in mind.

Personally, I dont think that there are near enough restrictions on team 2 for this not to be stomp.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Personally, I dont think that there are near enough restrictions on team 2 for this not to be stomp.

Funny how I feel the same, only reversed 😛 Medivh should be powerful enough to hold his own against all five. Not necessarily win, but put up more of a fight than one man should. HE is the key to victory, not the balance of characters for team one.

His telekinetic strength alone in theory surpass the total telekinetic and physical power of the whole team two combined 🙂

Not necesserily, even if there was really good proof for him picking up that large amount of land earlier in the thread, theres still nothing to note on how heavy it was in comparison to a Star destroyer.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not necesserily, even if there was really good proof for him picking up that large amount of land earlier in the thread, theres still nothing to note on how heavy it was in comparison to a Star destroyer.

Doesn't have to be anything that compare the two. Starkiller does not have the power equal to the weight of a Star Destroyer.

What is Medivh's greatest feat of TK?