Originally posted by id369
Galactus only motive was to unbond the Phoenix Force from its host. The stars fading is a consequence of the unbonding processes.
That's what I also thopught and I'm not here to say the PF is unbeatable, but a the same time Mr. Master you precieve the scans differently than us and that's your opinion. I know the PF can be hurt but erasing it from existence wouldn't make sense for Galactus to do.
Originally posted by TenebrousSimple.
1. Galactus' primary interest, above all things, is the continued existence of the Marvel (616) Universe as he knows it. His perpetual hunger is a means to that end. If Galactus dies, the MU dies with him. So, his hunger must always be satisfied.
2. Roma and Uatu tell Galactus what will happen if he continues what he's doing. Uatu asks "Can even you endure such desolation?"
3. Galactus responds that no one will tell him what to do. And that, the only forces that he is answerable to, are he and himself. In other words, no one influences Galactus except himself.
4. G released Phoenix. Watcher comments "yet Phoenix lives" because he, Roma, and Death all saw that Galactus had the intent and indeed was proceeding to do it. To Uatu's surprise "yet Phoenix lives" i.e. despite Galactus' will to erase the PF, she lives. Meaning, Uatu was surprised by Galactus' course of action. It has nothing to do with Galactus lacking the capability of doing it. If I drop you from a mountain top and you survive, "yet you still live" means despite the act it failed to do so (your interpretation).
If I threaten to drop you from the mountain top at any second, but 5 minutes later, you're still there on the mountain top, "yet you still live" despite my threat to do so.
You would logically know this because if Galactus lacked the capability of doing it, Uatu, Death, and Roma (ROMA, the OMNIVERSAL guardian!) would have no need whatsoever to warn him of the consequences!
That's like saying, Death Uatu and Roma came down to warn him only to see that G can't do it? Why go through all the song and dance to warn him BEFORE HAND if he didn't have the capability of doing it?
Think man. Uatu was [b]surprised. Not an observation that she lives despite Galactus intending to kill her. It was an observation that she lives because Galactus changed his mind, much to Uatu's surprise. [/B]
I see the on panel proof, bio corroborated evidence,
was easy enough to understand T.
Originally posted by id369Galactus only motive was to unbond the Phoenix Force from its host.
"Galactus ... the Stars are going Out"
*** and this is WHY, according to Roma ***
"That Child (Rachel Summers) is Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death,
there is a natural order to her being (existence) as to yours, and all creation"
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Yea, Galactus only wanted to separate the Force from Rachel,
so he can send the Force back to it's natural state,
but this was IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Because Rachel and the Force were one and the same!
I mean, goodness ... the Phoenix Force itself stated it:
"All I have become, You ARE Too"
"My essence has bonded to your spirit"
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe stars fading is a consequence of the unbonding processes.
The Stars were fading because their sustenace (Phoenix Force)
was getting erased.
Aside form the undebatable on panel proof ...
Roma's bio conclusively tells us Galactus was about to kill Phoenix 2,
Phoenix 2 is Rachel Summers,
Rachel Summers was the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by celestialbodiesOkay I have to ask if no one else will if Roma's Offical handbook bio says "she asked him not to slay Phoenix 2. Then what does that have to do with the Phoenix force and yes I understand that they were fully bonded but at the same time. If your gonna use that then it should have at least said Phoenix Force.
So,
you acknowledge the fact that the Phoenix Force and Rachel were the same,
yet, you want Roma's bio to elaborate and include the term 'Phoenix Force'
when anyone who knows anything about the Phoenix Force (unbiasely)
knows they were one and the same.
(therefore no need to say PF, when we know the PF is Rachel Summers aka Phoenix 2)
Originally posted by celestialbodiesAnd I know let me repeat that they were fully bonded,
but you saying why would Roma care about Rachel Summers is your own opinion
None whatsoever.
And again, you're acknowledging that the Force & Rachel were fully bonded,
yet, you're ignoring the obvious.
Originally posted by celestialbodiesI mean the PF sure does
why else would she bond with Rachel or protect her body after her battle with Necrom.
I'm talking about Roma.
Originally posted by celestialbodiesAll I'm saying is that the article you used
could also be used to prove that Rachel Summers aka Phoenix 2
would have been slayed not the PF.
Since Rachel was the PF.
I think that's the part (fact) you're acknowledging but yet ignoring simultaneously.
Originally posted by celestialbodiesThat's what I also thopught and I'm not here to say the PF is unbeatable,
but a the same time Mr. Master you precieve the scans differently than us and that's your opinion.
Originally posted by celestialbodiesI know the PF can be hurt
but erasing it from existence wouldn't make sense for Galactus to do.
Galactus did NOT want to kill/erase the Force,
Galactus wanted to just separate the Force from Rachel.
But as Roma stated, that was impossible,
because they were one and the same.
So instead, Galactus was killing them both during the separation,
because he was unintentionally splitting one entity (Rachel Summers/Phoenix Force) apart.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe Stars were fading because their sustenace (Phoenix Force)
was getting erased.Aside form the undebatable on panel proof ...
Roma's bio conclusively tells us Galactus was about to kill Phoenix 2,
Phoenix 2 is Rachel Summers,
Rachel Summers was the Phoenix Force.
Undebatable on panel proof…like Galactus stating his mechanism serves to unbond the Host from Force and that the host may die in the processes?
Fact is, only Rachel Summers life was threaten
Originally posted by id369Undebatable on panel proof…like Galactus stating his mechanism serves to unbond the Host from Force and that the host may die in the processes?
Got it.
Originally posted by id369Fact is, only Rachel Summers life was threaten
Phoenix Force itself stated it:
"All I have become, You ARE Too"
"My essence has bonded to your spirit"
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It's no surprise Roma stated this:
"Galactus ... the Stars are going Out"
*** and this is WHY, according to Roma ***
"That Child (Rachel Summers) is Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death,
there is a natural order to her being (existence) as to yours, and all creation"
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Phoenix 2 is Rachel Summers
Rachel Summers was the Phoenix Force
Official Marvel Handbook (Roma's bio)
states that Galactus was going to slay Phoenix 2:
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and it's CANON!
(an excerpt from Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
- Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -
"Warned Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"
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Slay Rachel Summers, you slay the Phoenix Force.
Simple and plain.
Originally posted by id369The Stars did not fade, when Jean was shattered by the world level EMP.
The PF was separated from Jean in that moment,
and later awoke Jean from her grave to fully merge with her.
They were never one before that btw,
only Rachel could claim that fame.
Originally posted by id369Simple fact,
Phoenix II is a direct reference to Rachael Summers not the Phoenix Force.
Got it. dur
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's because the Phoenix Force didn't die,
or was in the process of dying,
only Jean died in that instance.The PF was separated from Jean in that moment,
and later awoke Jean from her grave to fully merge with her.They were never one before that btw,
only Rachel could claim that fame.Even though Rachel Summers was the Phoenix Force embodied.
Got it. dur
It's not even that important about PF/Rachel. PF was more times separated from Jean, and it was all cool. Then you have PF/Rachel and stars were fading. And isn't Jean major and one and the same with PF?
It could go either way, although with Galactus and Phoenix II, I agree more with Master, since stars were fading and it seems like Galactus was truly on the way to kill the PF. I don't know if it would truly be the case, since it wasn't done to the end, but it seemed Galactus could really do it.
And yes, Jean did rip PF out of Rachel, so what to think. It could go eihter way. Jean is the physical manifestation of the Phoenix Force.
Comics are inconsistent all the time anyway.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It's not even that important about PF/Rachel. PF was more times separated from Jean, and it was all cool. Then you have PF/Rachel and stars were fading. And isn't Jean major and one and the same with PF?It could go either way, although with Galactus and Phoenix II, I agree more with Master, since stars were fading and it seems like Galactus was truly on the way to kill the PF. I don't know if it would truly be the case, since it wasn't done to the end, but it seemed Galactus could really do it.
Comics are inconsistent all the time anyway.
Why is this even brought up?..Rachel went into the device on her own....how can this even be an issue? if anything it shows galactus cant beat rachel/phoenix without using tech..oh and add in the fact that galactus would have to have her voluntarily go into a machine....
Aunt may> than wolverine...if he voluntarily goes into a machine designed to seperate him from his skeleton
Maryjane>spiderman....if he voluntarily goes into a machine designed to seperate him from his enhanced genetics
This borders on the ridiculous 😕
Originally posted by starlock
Why is this even brought up?..Rachel went into the device on her own....how can this even be an issue? if anything it shows galactus cant beat rachel/phoenix without using tech..oh and add in the fact that galactus would have to have her voluntarily go into a machine...
True.
And she shouldn't resist at all for him to succeed, because she could destroy his tech and defeat him back then.
