Originally posted by King Kandy
Because otherwise the people would have their ability to live threatened.
No, they can just pay for it themselves.
Should a company pay for my house or apartment? Why not? It's threatening my life, I need a roof over my head to survive.
Should a company pay for my gasoline? I need gas to get to work, if I cannot get to work I cannot buy food or pay bills.
Should a company pay for my food and groceries? It's threatening my ability to live if they don't.
If they don't pay you enough to afford those things then yes they do have an obligation to provide you with them. If a company is hiring people, they have a moral obligation to:
A. Pay people enough for them to afford the basic necessities of living.
B. Pay them less, but provide those necessities in the form of benefits.
Right now people can pay their employs minimum wage w/ no benefits which is not enough to live well in most states.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If they don't pay you enough to afford those things then yes they do have an obligation to provide you with them. If a company is hiring people, they have a moral obligation to:A. Pay people enough for them to afford the basic necessities of living.
B. Pay them less, but provide those necessities in the form of benefits.Right now people can pay their employs minimum wage w/ no benefits which is not enough to live well in most states.
Fail.
Minimum wage is set.
I survived, alone, on minimum wage, no problem. If they can't survive on minimum wage because they have too many kids and obligations, their fault and their problem. They should have used the rear entrance.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If they don't pay you enough to afford those things then yes they do have an obligation to provide you with them. If a company is hiring people, they have a moral obligation to:A. Pay people enough for them to afford the basic necessities of living.
B. Pay them less, but provide those necessities in the form of benefits.Right now people can pay their employs minimum wage w/ no benefits which is not enough to live well in most states.
Who are you to dictate what is moral and what isn't?
Companies have an obligation to pay the wages that they and the employees agree on, that is all.
If the employee doesn't like it, they can choose to work someplace else.
No where is it written in law that companies have the obligation to pay these benefits. And again you cannot dictate morality.
Originally posted by dadudemonI survived, alone, on minimum wage, no problem. If they can't survive on minimum wage because they have too many kids and obligations, their fault and their problem. They should have used the rear entrance.
But but but..the government and big companies must pay for peoples mistakes and irresponsablity!
Originally posted by KidRock
But but but..the government and big companies must pay for peoples mistakes and irresponsablity!
This is true. Thanks for showing me the light. I will never consider my money "my money" again. I will never consider my "hard work" in college my own efforts, but efforts for others. I will never consider the money I make from that "hard work" mine, either. It is all for those who are stupid and make mistakes. It is all for the weak and sickly, of whom I have no relation or kinship in anyway, shape, or form. Thanks to you, I have seen the light. I was being too selfish and needed to be more selfless and give my money up to be distributed. That way, those who didn't work hard, didn't do things responsably, didn't make intelligent financial decisions, won't have to worry. I'll work hard for them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is true. Thanks for showing me the light. I will never consider my money "my money" again. I will never consider my "hard work" in college my own efforts, but efforts for others. I will never consider the money I make from that "hard work" mine, either. It is all for those who are stupid and make mistakes. It is all for the weak and sickly, of whom I have no relation or kinship in anyway, shape, or form. Thanks to you, I have seen the light. I was being too selfish and needed to be more selfless and give my money up to be distributed. That way, those who didn't work hard, didn't do things responsably, didn't make intelligent financial decisions, won't have to worry. I'll work hard for them.
Read more Ayn Rand.
Employers provide people with benefits because government doesn't. Healthcare and the cost of living are so expensive right now that without some kind of benefits, the majority of people would not be able to live or retire without those benefits. Other than the morality of it, a lot of countries consider benefits as a whole to be insurance against radicalism. In short, your employer provides you healthcare and retirement so that a. you come to work everyday and you don't suffer a mental breakdown because appendicitis has driven you into bankruptcy and homelessness and b. so that you and all your coworkers don't show up at his house during dinner one night wielding incendiary devices and automatic weapons and proceed to loot his his house, shoot his children, rape his wife in front of him, drag him out into the street and hang him, and after that move on to the governor before regrouping with other partisans and planning further revolutionary activity.
Originally posted by KidRock
Who are you to dictate what is moral and what isn't?
Originally posted by KidRock
Companies have an obligation to pay the wages that they and the employees agree on, that is all.
Originally posted by KidRock
If the employee doesn't like it, they can choose to work someplace else.
Originally posted by KidRock
No where is it written in law that companies have the obligation to pay these benefits. And again you cannot dictate morality.
I don't see the big issue with ensuring people can get health care when they're sick. But I guess you're right, actually. Who are we to care if people can pay both rent AND food costs. If people got laid off by a tanking company, they deserve to die.
Originally posted by KidRock
Companies have an obligation to pay the wages that they and the employees agree on, that is all.
Actually they're required to uphold anything they put in a contract or promise to provide . . .
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And thanks to Obamunism we're doing the opposite of this and it's why we're broke as a country.
Excluding some sort of magic there is nothing Obama could have done that would have taken the US out of debt between his election and now.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's my opinion.
And your opinion doesn't agree with the current laws of this country, and hopefully never will.
Originally posted by King KandyEmploys are often forced into taking jobs they don't want by the job market.
Employees are forced into taking jobs they don't want due to lack of education, determination and willpower. You're not forced into doing anything.
Originally posted by King KandyActually, many times they can't.
See above, this is due to their own fault, nobody elses.
Originally posted by King KandyYes, the laws allow people to totally rip you off. I didn't realize that the law was always right.
Yeah, what a travesty it is that a company pays an employee to work for them.
Someone just got a job working for wal-mart..WHAT?! They aren't going to buy them a house?! And a new car?! You want this employee to use THEIR OWN MONEY? Madness!
Originally posted by King Kandy
.If people got laid off by a tanking company, they deserve to die.
Strawman
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually they're required to uphold anything they put in a contract or promise to provide . . .
Yeah..exactly..
The employer and employee agree on a contract. If that contract does not include benefits, and the employee wants benefits..tough luck, go look someplace else.
Originally posted by KidRock
And your opinion doesn't agree with the current laws of this country, and hopefully never will.
Originally posted by KidRock
Employees are forced into taking jobs they don't want due to lack of education, determination and willpower. You're not forced into doing anything.
Originally posted by KidRock
See above, this is due to their own fault, nobody elses.
Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, what a travesty it is that a company pays an employee to work for them.
Originally posted by KidRock
Someone just got a job working for wal-mart..WHAT?! They aren't going to buy them a house?! And a new car?! You want this employee to use THEIR OWN MONEY? Madness!
Originally posted by KidRock
Strawman