IceMan vs Firelord!!!!!!!

Started by Creshosk15 pages
Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
Like I said earlier Omega level mutant doesn't mean much to a herald level character
Oh really?

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Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
I'd assume if he can control heat which is the byproduct of kinetic energy created by motion that Iceman would have some control over "therman energy". 🙄 That still doesn't address the range scope or speed of his powers.
Actually that's what he does. The Ice is actually a by product of he seizing the thermal/kinetic motion of water vapors in the air.

Obadiah Horn Member

Originally posted by Peterlane
Black Bolt is way over sound speed, he is class 100, as he has gone toe to toe with Hulk physically, his voice at full power is solar system busting.

Superman is equal to Silver Surfer, Superman is a high-herald.

Are these board standards over here, if so then I can see why this ridiculous ass thread has been able to go on so long. 😆

black bolt has never gone super sonic (go ahead look for an example) even marvels hand books dont put a fully amped BB at class 100 and even Spiderman has traded blows with hulk.

Superman isn't close to Surfer in a single stat unless we're talking pre crisis.

Can you really not see the difference between a 6 foot 200 lb guy and Sol?????????

Still waiting on those scans or issue numbers fanboy.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
fanboy.
Given your arguments in this thread, you're not in much of a position to talk about such things.

Obadiah Horn Member

Originally posted by Creshosk

Actually that's what he does. The Ice is actually a by product of he seizing the thermal/kinetic motion of water vapors in the air. [/B]

hurm... I know that's why I said that.

Nice scans by the way though the first was more a testament to the phoenix force than Jean

Peterlane Restricted

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
hurm... I know that's why I said that.

Nice scans by the way though the first was more a testament to the phoenix force than Jean

Jean is the PHOENIX FORCE.

Obadiah Horn Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
Given your arguments in this thread, you're not in much of a position to talk about such things.

What arguments prey tell the arguments about the speed of light? maybe the one about how the sun works? Oh I know it must have been the arguments about the hydrogen and oxygen content in the vacuum of space. You must mean how I talk about the capabilities of the two combatants in the rumble since I see that's frowned upon here.

sorry I'll try to keep with board standards from now on.

BOBBY AM OMEGA!!

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
hurm... I know that's why I said that.

Nice scans by the way though the first was more a testament to the phoenix force than Jean

For all the X-Men you've claimed to read you seem to have missed a couple of key ones such as endsong.

That's jean's omega level mutantcy by the way. To become one with the phoenix force.

Its pretty much like saying that a cyclops feat is a testiment to the optic blasts and not to cyclops.

Also looking over this thread, and givn the personalities of the combatants I can't see either winning.

People seem to thin k that vaporizing Iceman would work.

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Here he instantly freezes then instantly unfreezes something:
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There was one fight where Iceman's shell was destroyed and he actually existed inside the fire element type guy who'd zapped the entire area of moisture.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
What arguments prey tell the arguments about the speed of light? maybe the one about how the sun works? Oh I know it must have been the arguments about the hydrogen and oxygen content in the vacuum of space. You must mean how I talk about the capabilities of the two combatants in the rumble since I see that's frowned upon here.

sorry I'll try to keep with board standards from now on.

BOBBY AM OMEGA!!

This is the kind of attitude I'm refering to for one thing. and the comment about how omega doesn't mean much to a herald level character and the comments about Superman not being a herald level character despite the moon and earth moving feats that Superman pulled off.

You seem to show an inherent bias toward Power cosmic users.

Peterlane Restricted

Originally posted by Creshosk
For all the X-Men you've claimed to read you seem to have missed a couple of key ones such as endsong.

That's jean's omega level mutantcy by the way. To become one with the phoenix force.

Its pretty much like saying that a cyclops feat is a testiment to the optic blasts and not to cyclops.

Also looking over this thread, and givn the personalities of the combatants I can't see either winning.

People seem to thin k that vaporizing Iceman would work.

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/5663/xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/460/xmenforeverdrake32cy.jpg

Here he instantly freezes then instantly unfreezes something:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8269/xmenforeverdrake40ku.jpg

There was one fight where Iceman's shell was destroyed and he actually existed inside the fire element type guy who'd zapped the entire area of moisture.

I'm reading that feat you just said. I'm going to scan it soon.

KillAll Senior Member

i doubt iceman could simply "turn off" a cosmically powered flame 😉.

even the scans of all icemans "potential" were worthless, as they havent shown how he could effectively mount an offense against firelord.

the only worthwhile scan i have ever seen of iceman in specific that he might win this fight eventually (not now or for a very long time), is when he was in the hands of ymir, and thor mentioned that ymir used to be similar to iceman, or so it was said.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by KillAll
i doubt iceman could simply "turn off" a cosmically powered flame 😉.

even the scans of all icemans "potential" were worthless, as they havent shown how he could effectively mount an offense against firelord.

the only worthwhile scan i have ever seen of iceman in specific that he might win this fight eventually (not now or for a very long time), is when he was in the hands of ymir, and thor mentioned that ymir used to be similar to iceman, or so it was said.

How about freezing a celestial ship?
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Obadiah Horn Member
Originally posted by Peterlane
Jean is [B]a host for the PHOENIX FORCE. [/B]

Fixed for accuracy

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
Fixed for accuracy
Really? Is that why in endsong She says she's one with the phoenix force?

Blanket Dead

Originally posted by Creshosk
Really? Is that why in endsong She says she's one with the phoenix force?
yes

Obadiah Horn Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is the kind of attitude I'm refering to for one thing. and the comment about how omega doesn't mean much to a herald level character and the comments about Superman not being a herald level character despite the moon and earth moving feats that Superman pulled off.

You seem to show an inherent bias toward Power cosmic users.

I don't classify Heralds as Power Cosmic users I go by a criteria that being.

FTL travel and reaction speed
class 100 strength
planet busting attack power
withstand a black hole durability

Supes only has 2 of those and his earth moving feat was with the help of 2 Lanterns.

Hell I'm more of an Iceman fan but I'm not going to try to pretend that he's on that level or that some of his highest end showings make any sense.

Hell my favorite character Invisible Woman has solo'd a celestial but I don't try to pretend that she's a cosmic level threat. I just recognize it as PIS.

Ouallada Senior Member

Firelord.

Obadiah Horn Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
Really? Is that why in endsong She says she's one with the phoenix force?

So I suppose Rachel is just funneling power from Jean then and Giruad from Guardians of the Galaxy is just channeling Jean from the grave a thousand years from now? Jean is a powerful omega class mutant and her power lets her channel Phoenix to its greatest potential but it is still a seperate entity said to have been around since the beginning of time.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
I don't classify Heralds as Power Cosmic users I go by a criteria that being.

FTL travel and reaction speed
class 100 strength
planet busting attack power
withstand a black hole durability

Supes only has 2 of those

Which two seeing as how I can provide scans for three of those.

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
and his earth moving feat was with the help of 2 Lanterns.
That was to ensure he didn't crush the planet when hooked up to their claw.

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
Hell I'm more of an Iceman fan but I'm not going to try to pretend that he's on that level or that some of his highest end showings make any sense.
This is full potential we're talking about. Is it really that far fetched that the sweetest of the fruits of the celestial's labour could be high enough to give herald level characters problems?

I could also find that scan of Queitin in his Phoenix uniform outside fixing a hole in eternity. He's omega level as well.

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
Hell my favorite character Invisible Woman has solo'd a celestial but I don't try to pretend that she's a cosmic level threat. I just recognize it as PIS.
In her case sure. But since these omega levels are the direct product of said celestials, they have a reason for being able to do so.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
So I suppose Rachel is just funneling power from Jean then
Yes.

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
and Giruad from Guardians of the Galaxy is just channeling Jean from the grave a thousand years from now?
So you're saying that it wasn't Jean who was in the white hot room after her "death"?

By that "from the grave" I can only assume you have a VERY limited scope of life and death. Sure, the body might be in the ground, but the spirit? the soul?

Some mutants powers work after death. One's mutant powers didn't kick in until she's to be refered to in the post-mortem.

That's just the way things work.

Originally posted by Obadiah Horn
Jean is a powerful omega class mutant and her power lets her channel Phoenix to its greatest potential but it is still a seperate entity said to have been around since the beginning of time.
So when they say that they are one.. that doesn't really mean that... Riiight...

You don't have to accept what's written. There's no requirement for that. But you really shouldn't say things that go against several established locations in the comics.

Naija boy Senior Member

Firelord FTW