God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Jesus was just a man.

According to your beliefs, not to ours.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
We don't know what we knew instinctively when we were born, because teaching and choice can over rule instinctive knowledge. But with as many religions as there are, I can't believe there isn't something out there, even if my belief of what it is turns out to be wrong. (not that I believe that it will.)

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Have you ever thought that there may be things at play that we don't understand when it comes to that one way to heaven? Have you ever thought that it may be that is the only path that we are able to follow?

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
That's not entirely true. We are the sum of our experiences, the good and the bad. Our capacity for choice would not be the same if we didn't have both pleasure and pain to influence those choices.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I’m not sure what you are talking about.

Yes but that doesn’t make a difference because God created everything including the rules, if there is something that he can not do then he is not all powerful. It is simple as that, if he is not all powerful and can't do everything then your point would be valid.

And we couldn’t have experiences in Heaven? What is it that you do there for all time; there is politics, wars, love, friends and so on so to me it sounds like there are a lot of experiences going on. In Heaven there you still can make bad choices, hence Lucifer and all the angels that rebelled against God. There were in Heaven and they still made the choice to rebel against God. So if you are the sum of your experiences what good is a baby then when it dies and goes to Heaven? Does it stay a baby for all time, never learning, never growing?

Even if that were a biblical view of heaven after the banishing or Lucifer, then with wars there would indeed be pain and misery in heaven. so I am not sure I see your point on that. And as far as your second comment, God holds himself back to what we can do and keep our freedom of choice. Also who is to say God hasn't weighed the other options and found salvation through Jesus as the best, while keeping our ability to choose for ourselves.

And pertaining to the first, in humans, Learning new, and perhaps more desirable knowledge can override instinctive knowledge.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Even if that were a biblical view of heaven after the banishing or Lucifer, then with wars there would indeed be pain and misery in heaven. so I am not sure I see your point on that. And as far as your second comment, God holds himself back to what we can do and keep our freedom of choice. Also who is to say God hasn't weighed the other options and found salvation through Jesus as the best, while keeping our ability to choose for ourselves.

And pertaining to the first, in humans, Learning new, and perhaps more desirable knowledge can override instinctive knowledge.

Since the Bible doesn't talk about any other wars I'm assuming that God has cleaned house but this would also be a contradiction in the Bible because they tell us that there is no pain and suffering. Maybe since he got rid of the bad angles there is no more pain and suffering and so you can't make bad decision but that would take away your freedom to choice. Now if this is the greatest gift God gave us why would he take it away for all time when we go to Heaven? Do you know see the contradictions? You could even go that you spouse goes to Hell and you go to Heaven, so if there is no pain and suffering in Heaven does the other spouse forget about the other?

God is supposed to be able to do anything, so why would a God of unlimited power that can do anything not make a perfect world that allows his creations to have freedom of choice and live with out pain and suffering? There is only two answers is that either he doesn't exist or did it on purpose.

OK, give me one option that he could have weighed and why he would have choose the Jesus option over it.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
According to your beliefs, not to ours.

My belief is not a death cult. 😎

Originally posted by ushomefree
When people avoid accountability, they seek options -- they deny the truth! This, of course, makes them feel better about themselves.

And you think this has something to do with your religion?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My belief is not a death cult. 😎

funny... 😐 Christianity is more about life and redemption, than death.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
funny... 😐 Christianity is more about life and redemption, than death.

But consider, for a moment, just how much it is about death and after death.

Proverbs 8:36 (KJV)
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

😉

Originally posted by The Scribe
Proverbs 8:36 (KJV)
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: [B]all they that hate me love death.

😉 [/B]

So said the god of war.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So said the god of war.

Isn't that Ares? Who doesn't exist except in the comics. 😄

Originally posted by The Scribe
Isn't that Ares? Who doesn't exist except in the comics. 😄

disgust

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Isn't that a bit unfair, Jesus is going to kick as butt. Plus what kind of role model is he being, showing the kid that it is OK to play without safety gear. 😠

...and in his bath robe too. 😠

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and in his bath robe too. 😠

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I would totally high stick him 😈

The ref would smite you. 😛