God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I'm sorry, hopefully you'll realize one day. 🙁

Realize Christianity? 😕 I used to be a Christian. I know how delusional that belief can be.

Originally posted by KidRock
And why did he do that?

Answer:

Because God is a kid with an ant farm and he enjoys watching the ants burn under a magnifying glass.

Originally posted by KidRock
I felt like I was reading "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" while reading your post..although entertaining, it's far too difficult and time consuming to go through again.

Try me. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Realize Christianity? 😕 I used to be a Christian. I know how delusional that belief can be.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Realize Christianity? 😕 I used to be a Christian. I know how delusional that belief can be.

hmm But why not choose to be completely non-delusional?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Sorry that you lost your way. I'm sure god will lead you back to it one day.

I did not loose anything. However, I have discovered one important piece of information. The feelings I had as a Christian (the Holy Spirit) is the same feeling that I now have as a Buddhist. Ether God is in both Christianity and Buddhism, or the feeling that I am talking about is a human feeling that is independent of the religion a person is in.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
hmm But why not choose to be completely non-delusional?

Because we are human. Freeing ourselves from attachments will lead to the eradication of suffering, but it also eradicates the very things that make up human. There is an evolutionary advantage to being within a religious frame work. The only requirement to keep a person from falling into further delusion is the acceptance of responsibility for all things in your life.

Also, the eradication of delusion is a delusion.

The threads about why God didn't make us perfect ), as being imperfect will lead to suffering and thus a creator who creates something knowing that they will suffer despite the fact that they could stop it is evil. So therefore the choice is either God couldn't make us perfect, by not being omnipotent or God didn't what to make us perfect, by being evil.

Also, my assertion was that a non-omnipotent being is undeserving of worship, being nothing more than a glorified dictator (and thus not be God as we see him), and that an omnipotent but evil being is undeserving of worship becuase it Is a dictator (and git).

Is this close to what you're talking about?

Such limited choices are usually false ones. Now, it so happens that I think he's right with the latter of his two options. But for the wrong reasons. Anyone with half a degree in being a lapsed theist can explain away the presence of "evil" in the world through a variety of ways. But the thread starter's tone, and responses to such justifications, leads me to believe he isn't looking to consider alternative possibilities.

So. Those are the two choices? Cool. The second is far more likely than the first. Now stop complaining about it and go enjoy yourself.

Originally posted by KidRock
I see those as being the only 2 options. Which one is true, I don't know. But I definitley know that with the world we live in it's impossible for God to be a good, merciful and caring entity.

He gives us the very capability to act and use our tools of either doing good or sinning to test us mortals to show if you are worthy into going to the heavens or not in the afterlife.

Why do many keep ignoring this concept? It's obvious.

But God is omniscient (all-knowing), so he knew at our conception who would sin and who wouldn't. So by still creating those who would, he creating them just so he can torture them, they have no real choice in the matter. Does that sound like a good God too you?

Originally posted by JacopeX
Let's speak as if God was real. (In my opinion, he is)

He gives us the very capability to act and use our tools of either doing good or sinning to test us mortals to show if you are worthy into going to the heavens or not in the afterlife.

Why do many keep ignoring this concept? It's obvious.

Because when you don't assume that god is real, then your points fall apart.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But God is omniscient (all-knowing), so he knew at our conception who would sin and who wouldn't. So by still creating those who would, he creating them just so he can torture them, they have no real choice in the matter. Does that sound like a good God too you?

Easily solved by assuming God isn't omniscient. The bible certainly doesn't portray him that way, in fact pretty much no religions do.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because when you don't assume that god is real, then your points fall apart.

Poor argument, anything will fall apart if you assume the premise is false.

Originally posted by KidRock
So then why the **** create the baby in the first place? To just cause pain and suffering to the parents? How illogical and ridiculous does that sound?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
...Poor argument, anything will fall apart if you assume the premise is false.

I was answering the last question: "Why do many keep ignoring this concept? It's obvious." I should have cut the quote down to just that part.

Easily solved by assuming God isn't omniscient. The bible certainly doesn't portray him that way, in fact pretty much no religions do.

But then God is limited, and moves into the zone of 'super-human'. Being worshipped then makes him nothing more than a tyrannical dictator and he ceases to be God.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But then God is limited, and moves into the zone of 'super-human'. Being worshipped then makes him nothing more than a tyrannical dictator and he ceases to be God.

Then do not worship god.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But then God is limited, and moves into the zone of 'super-human'. Being worshipped then makes him nothing more than a tyrannical dictator and he ceases to be God.

Why is your specific definition of God the right one? Why does being powerful and worshiped make someone a dictator?

Frankly any creature powerful enough to be viewed as a God probably wouldn't qualify as a dictator on the grounds that it wouldn't care about or notice us. The difference in scale is mindboggling, even if you're talking about a God that just created a single planet.

Why is your specific definition of God the right one? Why does being powerful and worshiped make someone a dictator?

Becuase without an omni-something, that being is just a 'super-human'.
And because thats the definition of a dictator. Well, actually a dictator is closer to being someone powerful who demands to be worshipped/ obeyed and punishes you if you don't.

Frankly any creature powerful enough to be viewed as a God probably wouldn't qualify as a dictator on the grounds that it wouldn't care about or notice us. The difference in scale is mindboggling, even if you're talking about a God that just created a single planet.

Well why create us in the first place, or care enough about wether he was being respected to torture us for eternity if we don't?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Becuase without an omni-something, that being is just a 'super-human'.
And because thats the definition of a dictator. Well, actually a dictator is closer to being someone powerful who demands to be worshipped/ obeyed and punishes you if you don't.

Well why create us in the first place, or care enough about wether he was being respected to torture us for eternity if we don't?

So, you believe in hell?