Wizards Vs. Marvel (corrected version)

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thor is only immortal by age means. He can die from physical punishment, magic of sufficient strength and energy based attacks. He can die, so I don't see why is would be eliminated.

Because he can tank a shite load of damage, should have magical immunity on some level. I just don't like a god being included in the versus. You know...once sided n'stuff. Sure, Hulk was able to beat Thor in the Thor vs. Hulk movie. But he put up a good fight. And I think people will be going with Ang Lee's Hulk or the newest Hulk.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, she can select who she ashes and doesn't, as seen in the film.

No, that never Happens. Prove it if she does do it. Cause, when she went all out, everyone in front of her was reduced...no exceptions...except Wolverine.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that never Happens. Prove it if she does do it. Cause, when she went all out, everyone in front of her was reduced...no exceptions...except Wolverine.

In the house when she killed Xavier. Magneto and Wolverine were in that same house and the distance of them from Xavier was way shorter than the distance of people she was killing on the island. There is your proof.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because he can tank a shite load of damage, should have magical immunity on some level. I just don't like a god being included in the versus. You know...once sided n'stuff. Sure, Hulk was able to beat Thor in the Thor vs. Hulk movie. But he put up a good fight. And I think people will be going with Ang Lee's Hulk or the newest Hulk.

But people who can instantly cast death spell and one hit kill people is fair?

Originally posted by Nephthys
She mindf*cked Xavier in X-2,

No she didn't. Nice try, though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
stopping him from getting in her mind,

No she didn't. Why did she say, "get out of my head" if she stopped him from getting in? It would appear that she had to destroy him to get him to stop.

Originally posted by Nephthys
repressing his and taking over his body.

No she didn't, to both of those points. You can't just make up things an expect it to fly. So far, you've either been absurdly ignorant, or you're deliverately lying.

Originally posted by Nephthys
While holding back hundreds of tonnes of water, lifting the x-jet into the air AND fixing the damage done to it enough for it to fly.

You should pay attention because I didn't mention TK at all, now did I? This particular argument is illogical. It is out of context. The point between Robtard and I is about the telepathy abilities of the two and using cerebro.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So shes clearly stronger then him.

Absolutely...depending on your persepective. From a "mastery of telepathy" standpoint, Xavier has her greatly outclassed. Even in her DP form, she wasn't even able to keep Xavier out of her mind.

Like 50 seconds into it.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In the house when she killed Xavier. Magneto and Wolverine were in that same house and the distance of them from Xavier was way shorter than the distance of people she was killing on the island. There is your proof.

That is not proof. That just shows her using that power for the first time...and how small of an area of affect it was. Nice try, though. Also, you have to keep in mind that Xavier was in her mind, trying to supress her DP personality. It's possible that he was limiting her somewhat. That's more believable than saying she controlled her powers to kill specific people as her character is supposed to be chaotic and uncontrolled. Magento's whole thing with her was leaving her untrolled, but pointed in "his" direction. Do you honestly think she would have wanted to kill Scott or any of her fellow X-men? Obviously, not. She ain't controlling jack.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But people who can instantly cast death spell and one hit kill people is fair?

Aboslutely. I would think the Death Spell wouldn't work on SS, but accio to his board most certainly would. Without his board, even simple humans can kill SS, in the movie. This is why I am allowing SS in this vs. Also, RJ has already brought up good points about why Doctor Doom can be allowed, as well. If each side can come to an agreement that a character should be removed from the thread, it will be done. There's no reason to have gods or people like Dr. Strange from the Marvel side. Trying to include Galactus by someone in this thread was utterly retarded.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Aboslutely. I would think the Death Spell wouldn't work on SS, but accio to his board most certainly would. Without his board, even simple humans can kill SS, in the movie. This is why I am allowing SS in this vs. Also, RJ has already brought up good points about why Doctor Doom can be allowed, as well. If each side can come to an agreement that a character should be removed from the thread, it will be done. There's no reason to have gods or people like Dr. Strange from the Marvel side. Trying to include Galactus by someone in this thread was utterly retarded.

Kind of biased especially since the consensus is that Mutants have no defense against magic. Surfer is too fast for them to hit and he'll transmute through anything. He didn't die when he got removed from the board, he was allegedly tortured and showed no signs of pain IIRC.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That is not proof. That just shows her using that power for the first time...and how small of an area of affect it was. Nice try, though. Also, you have to keep in mind that Xavier was in her mind, trying to supress her DP personality. It's possible that he was limiting her somewhat. That's more believable than saying she controlled her powers to kill specific people as her character is supposed to be chaotic and uncontrolled. Magento's whole thing with her was leaving her untrolled, but pointed in "his" direction. Do you honestly think she would have wanted to kill Scott or any of her fellow X-men? Obviously, not. She ain't controlling jack.

She apparently killed Scott so that wasn't for the first time.

There was no nice try, you just refuse to accept it. She killed Xavier because he was trying to enter her mind, the others weren't. If her attack would've killed everyone without Xavier trying to suppress her then they would've died as well when he gave up and stopped focusing. They would've also showed signs of disintegration

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Kind of biased especially since the consensus is that Mutants have no defense against magic. Surfer is too fast for them to hit and he'll transmute through anything. He didn't die when he got removed from the board, he was allegedly tortured and showed no signs of pain IIRC.

That's correct. There will be deaths on both sides, no problem. Mutans that can't dodge the spell fire with ease will go down fairly quickly. Mutants with uber dodging skills like Spiderman, NightCrawler, etc. will last quite a bit longer.

And, no, SS will have a tough time flying around at uber speeds without someone using accio on him. If you can prove that he showed the ability to Transmute on a massive scale, we will remove him from the thread. However, when he goes to do that..such as making those massive holes in the ground, he is most certainly standing still. Remeber, this is SS movie version, no comic. He did not travel faster than light, in the movies. He wasn't shown to be able to destroy planets, possess a persception of time a la Dr. Manhantten. etc.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
She apparently killed Scott so that wasn't for the first time.

Oh boy, you got me. But that doesn't do very much to change the point.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
There was no nice try, you just refuse to accept it. She killed Xavier because he was trying to enter her mind, the others weren't. If her attack would've killed everyone without Xavier trying to suppress her then they would've died as well when he gave up and stopped focusing. They would've also showed signs of disintegration

How about a major no. You're reaching for things that most certainly aren't there. The exchange was very exhausting for her as Xavier was just barely weaker than she was. As soon as he was gone, she was very exhausted. If you don't believe it, why did Magneto escort her our while holding her?

But, if you want her removed, she can be. 🙂

This is still pointless because a lot of people who claim marvel will win apparently don't have a clue what is one thing from another in the HP world, as shown in the other thread. They claim victory over something they obviously know nothing about. So old version or new version, that ain't gonna change.

You can't accio SS's board from him, they had to produce an immensely powerful, four point tachyon pulse generator to make him seperate from it, accioning the board will just pull surfer to you, where he can do a simple energy blast and leave you dead, like Doom did to the general.

Originally posted by KingD19
You can't accio SS's board from him, they had to produce an immensely powerful, four point tachyon pulse generator to make him seperate from it, accioning the board will just pull surfer to you, where he can do a simple energy blast and leave you dead, like Doom did to the general.

I ain't feelin' this. Magic is not the same as science. I see his board being separated from him by someone with a strong will in magic.

Originally posted by Disturbed Angel
This is still pointless because a lot of people who claim marvel will win apparently don't have a clue what is one thing from another in the HP world, as shown in the other thread. They claim victory over something they obviously know nothing about. So old version or new version, that ain't gonna change.

Bias much?

The HP crew are the ones typically making the spells to be more than they are. While Xavier using his mind to control the masses in a shown movie feat, as an example.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bias much?

The HP crew are the ones typically making the spells to be more than they are. While Xavier using his mind to control the masses in a shown movie feat, as an example.

Agreed.

This is why I removed Xavier as he would literally solo them...but the HP peeps can't admit that.

On another note, anything made sentient, in the other thread, would be at the Xavier's disposal. Including chocolate frogs and people in paintings and pictures.

No she didn't. Nice try, though.

No she didn't. Why did she say, "get out of my head" if she stopped him from getting in? It would appear that she had to destroy him to get him to stop.

No she didn't, to both of those points. You can't just make up things an expect it to fly. So far, you've either been absurdly ignorant, or you're deliverately lying.

You should pay attention because I didn't mention TK at all, now did I? This particular argument is illogical. It is out of context. The point between Robtard and I is about the telepathy abilities of the two and using cerebro.

Absolutely...depending on your persepective. From a "mastery of telepathy" standpoint, Xavier has her greatly outclassed. Even in her DP form, she wasn't even able to keep Xavier out of her mind.

No offence, but YOUR the one who is being ignorant. If you had properly read the first part of my post I clearly state that this was in X-2. The scene your thinking about is in x-men 3. If you re-watch the ending of X-men 2, you will clearly see the heroes panicking about being hit by the mini-tsunami, Jean leave the plane, people noticing that she's left the plane, Xavier clearly stating that he can't get into her mind, Jean starting to glow with her phoenix powers, Xavier's mind getting taken over and Jean telling Scott that shes sorry through him, Jean/phoenix stopping the water, the X-jet rising into the air while Jean fixes it and then Jean giving up, end scene. Perhaps not happening in that order.

This is the best I can do at such a late time, sorry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0gsSi2Qm4 Watch from 3.30. It doesn't show all of the scene, but it shows enough to hopefully prove to you that I'm not lying.

The reference to Jeans telekinetic feats whilst mindf*cking Xavier were to show the ease in which she outstrips Xavier. That she can do such demanding feats of power whilst suppressing Xaviers mind, clearly demonstrates her superiority to him.

And if someone argues that that was just Jean doing that, Phoenix and Jean have exactly the same amount of power, it's just that Phoenix can actually use it, so those feats ARE applicable.

I would like a sorry if thats alright.

OK, guys. This thread is on a one way track to Shitsville. I'm gonna have to close this, since it's just too much like the other Wizard/Mutant thread.

I'll allow the other to stay open as long as it stays civil.

Anyone with complaints can PM me.