Dark Khan Versus Kain

Originally posted by NemeBro

Says it all...and BT, why are you going on about Kain having infinite magic, when the stipulations have already made it known that the interference of the merging universes are affect Kain's ability to "regulate"? Enough about it, seriously.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I don't judge a person by his knowledge in a particular language, or how much work they put into their communication. I don't like Burning Thought because I find him disrespectful, hypocritical and ignorant.

Let's see then how hard it is to argue:

Regulator

"The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth. We can identify three Balance Guardians, pictured above."
- [b]'Their magic influenced' not only gives out the implication that their role was an influencing one (Despite what's said about reglatory), but also that they aren't directly regulating anything.
- 'Influenced the regulation' clearly states that they are effecting the regulating, influencing it. It does NOT state that the guardian is the one doing the regulating.
- 'Other magic in Nosgoth' brings out the fact that not only is the influencing of the regulation in Nosgoth, but also only magic that exists in Nosgoth. To say that Kain can influence anything outside Nosgoth is the same as saying that Medivh can draw energy from Karazhan without being on Azeroth. It doesn't work. It's also a location-required factor, so doesn't apply to a neutral battleground.

To state that Kain is the regulator is to bring in the existential fallacy. To then claim that regulating means what it appears you and Burning Thought think it does brings in another existential fallacy. Combinding the two creates the propositional fallacy of affirming the consequent. Which makes the statement "Kain is a regulator" and "Regulating means complete control over limits" invalid statements. It's nothing but the conclusion of a speculation without true evidence to back it up.

Awesome moves

He has some interesting moves, but nothing that puts him in the league that Burning Thought struggle to keep him in. His shield says this:
"Invoking this spell cloaks me under a protective aegis. Whatever spell is cast at me will be reflected back at the caster, leaving me unharmed. It will only last for a short time, however, before leaving me vulnerable once more."

The tooltip informs us that "This spell created a magical shell around Kain. Until it wore off, he was protected against all enemy attacks, including all types of projectile", which brings another fallacy into play. Thanks to the quote by Kain and the words in the tooltip, we now have a no-limit fallacy. This pretty little fallacy exists to tell us that just because no limit has been set for the shield, doesn't mean it doesn't have one. Kain is speaking out of experience in that quote. Experience that is limited to his world and the enemies he has fought at that point. This is an argumentum ad ignorantiam (Aka Negative Proof fallacy) case, which is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true because it has not been proven false. Very similar to the no-limit fallacy, so both are applied to the case.

The writers of the tooltip is directing it at the existing enemy spells of Blood Omen and not at the fictional universe. For instance, Burning Thought claims that Repel Shield protects him from the Omega attack by our precious Dark Khan (Assuming he has it), but there's not a single implication that the shield can withstand a molecular level attack, because no such thing exists for Kain, and because it doesn't, he doesn't know better than to claim his shield indestructible because he hasn't yet been proven wrong.
The developers doesn't take other games and fictions in consideration when they write the tooltip, so their words only stretch as far as the strongest attack in Blood Omen. [/B]

Regulation aside, Kains moves play on the fact that he has so many, most of which would technically instantly kill most opponents and that if you have zero defence against say, Soul powers, blood shower, time powers then you are doomed which is what makes him powerful, becase any one of those can break a battle.

And ime not claiming Repel shield can stop Omega effect so please dont put words in my mouth, its bad enough that your using poor analogies and complaining that Kains way of regulation is through magic influence but I certainly did not debate that the Omega effect can be stopped by Repel shield, I was merely asking its properties, the fact its not magic immedialtey means its unnaffected anyway.

Besides any argument I make for the shield is based on regulation, not a no limits fallacy of the words used in the tooltip.

Although there does not seem to be any new arguments in this thread so ill leave it at that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Regulation aside, Kains moves play on the fact that he has so many, most of which would technically instantly kill most opponents and that if you have zero defence against say, Soul powers, blood shower, time powers then you are doomed which is what makes him powerful, becase any one of those can break a battle.

And ime not claiming Repel shield can stop Omega effect so please dont put words in my mouth, its bad enough that your using poor analogies and complaining that Kains way of regulation is through magic influence but I certainly did not debate that the Omega effect can be stopped by Repel shield, I was merely asking its properties, the fact its not magic immedialtey means its unnaffected anyway.

Besides any argument I make for the shield is based on regulation, not a no limits fallacy of the words used in the tooltip.

Although there does not seem to be any new arguments in this thread so ill leave it at that.

Of course it isn't. She's one crazy Fin, right BT? Right?

This thread isn't even worth your time. You know you're right, so screw what everyone else thinks.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
How do you feel about her comment about you in the first sentence BT? Is that a fair description of you?

Of course it isn't. She's one crazy Fin, right BT? Right?

This thread isn't even worth your time. You know you're right, so screw what everyone else thinks.

Either you stop testing your boundaries, or I will report you.

Same old KMC.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Regulation aside, Kains moves play on the fact that he has so many, most of which would technically instantly kill most opponents and that if you have zero defence against say, Soul powers, blood shower, time powers then you are doomed which is what makes him powerful, becase any one of those can break a battle.

And ime not claiming Repel shield can stop Omega effect so please dont put words in my mouth, its bad enough that your using poor analogies and complaining that Kains way of regulation is through magic influence but I certainly did not debate that the Omega effect can be stopped by Repel shield, I was merely asking its properties, the fact its not magic immedialtey means its unnaffected anyway.

Besides any argument I make for the shield is based on regulation, not a no limits fallacy of the words used in the tooltip.

Although there does not seem to be any new arguments in this thread so ill leave it at that.

Nope, no new arguments indeed.

Considering that people who are clearly on illegal substances have invaded this thread, shall we just agree to disagree?

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Either you stop testing your boundaries, or I will report you.

Report me? For what? Brightening everyone's day?

And for the record, arguing with BT is pointless. So there, I said it.

This thread was lame, and boring before I stepped in. It was just that smart Finnish girl and Artificial Glory trying to reason with BT, which is, for all intents and purposes, futile. I was just lightining the mood.

Edit: Seriously though, don't report me. 🙁 I'm just a patsy.

Stop the frequent namecalling then. It's not that hard.

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Stop the frequent namecalling then. It's not that hard.

And calling Kratos an assjockey does not count, because he is a fictional character, without feelings.

This thread is WAY off topic.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
retard

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury

I meant retard in an affectionate way. You know, sort of how you might call your son a retard after he microwaves some tinfoil. Not in the pejorative sense.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You think this chump is awesome but you don't think BT is?

Exactly ✅

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Exactly ✅

This thread is way off-topic, and nothing good is coming of it.

Closed.