Originally posted by WO Polaski
thats not what the problem is. the problem is his position in order to get to that point (with his saber an inch from mace's chest). he literally CANT move that extra inch without putting himself in danger. its called "overextending", which is something that you want to avoid in a swordfight.
Did you not see the speed at which Palps cleared that distance at the beginning of the fight, on his way from his chair to the Jedi......?
He could have just thrown the saber in Mace from that close range....
He had Mace as Maces sabre was way too far to get Palpatine before Mace would be killed.
Also anyways, its just one of many signs on Palpatine's mastery/superiority to Mace and that Palpatine was just toying with Mace long enough to use him as the turning point for Anakin...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
[B]Did you not see the speed at which Palps cleared that distance at the beginning of the fight, on his way from his chair to the Jedi......?
that was a specific technique that he used thats not his normal on the drop of a dime speed.
He could have just thrown the saber in Mace from that close range....
He had Mace as Maces sabre was way too far to get Palpatine before Mace would be killed.
not true.
Also anyways, its just one of many signs on Palpatine's mastery/superiority to Mace and that Palpatine was just toying with Mace long enough to use him as the turning point for Anakin...
well first off as weve already established its been canonically stated that mace outperformed sideous, the eu states this as well, so the signs are irrelevant. but from a movie watchers perspective and from the perspective of someone whos had some training in pro fighting i still dont see sideous outmaneuvering mace in any way in that fight.
That was added after and it betrays what is shown on screen. Probably added because Jackson had some sort of clause in his contract that he "wouldn't go out like some punk", which he did and then complained.
So GL made a statement to make Jackson happy about his character, despite the fight and the plot showing that Palpatine was in control from beginning to end.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
maybe its because... he thinks mace is a better fighter then sideous? the fight didnt even go how hed originally wanted it to go. both him and the fight coordinator werent happy with the scene.
That's a possibility, but it doesn't agree with that is seen.
I find that hard to believe (not saying he didn't say it) considering the magic of re-shoots.
What he shoulda done:
Originally posted by WO Polaski
1)that was a specific technique that he used thats not his normal on the drop of a dime speed.2)not true.
3)well first off as weve already established its been canonically stated that mace outperformed sideous, the eu states this as well, so the signs are irrelevant. but from a movie watchers perspective and from the perspective of someone whos had some training in pro fighting i still dont see sideous outmaneuvering mace in any way in that fight.
1) That he had the capacity and chose not use it is enough in itself to back up my point..
2) Says you. 😛
3) EUey smelling explainations do not a fact make.
Im just going off of what is on screen there.
If you're after somehow 'pulling rank' on some training... was it fighting Jedi..? 😉
Well its a good thing that as someone who had some training in pro fighting that you didnt continue, as if you cant see that close proximity/range as a danger and sign of Sideous's control there, then the loss of your limbs/organs would be inevitable. 😛
Palps knew Mace would'nt kill him, at least not right away. It's not the Jedi way plain and simple. A Sith would kill someone without even thinking twice. Jedi are protectors and would never murder someone in cold blood. If Palps had gotten struck down during the sabre battle would've been one thing, but Palps was clearly unarmed by the end there and would've been a "Darkside" -like move for Mace to murder an unarmed person. Mace was originally just supposed to put him under arrest.
I do.
Foresight was his and blindness was the Jedi's.
"The darkside clouds everything" - Yoda
"Everthing has transpired by my design." -Sidious
He doesn't take chances...?
Maybe so.
Chances like allowing the shield generator plans to fall into the rebels hands, having the shield locator in an unsuecure and dangerous location full of Ewoks that could defeat and entire legion the Emporer's BEST men, linking the issue of Mace arresting and killing Palps to turn an Anakin scared shitless of losing Palpatine's help in saving Padme...?
Well maybe youre right.
As they arent exactly [i]chances when you can see the future.[/i]
Clearly as the force went back to balance by the time of ROTJ, the foresight advantage was a bit lacking, for teh complacent Palps.
The future is always changing, as Master Yoda said. This applies for Jedi and Sith. No matter how powerful one is, the future is always changing with the decisions one makes. No way Palpy saw Anakin doing what he did AND Mace not administering the killing blow and was CERTAIN this would happen. Best case scenario is Palpy saw them as a possible future, nothing more.
Thats right.
That implies they can detect possible futures.
Which is indicated further in ESB where Yoda is outlying Luke's optional futures to him.
It looks like this to me:
The swinging variable that seems to dictate which side can see what, seems to be how light or dark the force is at the time or either the time they meditate on the future events, or at the time of the events themselves.