Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you are saying that Palpy knew Annie would intervene and cut down Windu, and that Windu would not administer the killing blow? For certain?
Indeed I do, sir.
Moreso, I venture that faces don't melt and lightning doesn't do dentistry, and furthermore that force lightning even at lethal exposure levels didnt deform Luke, so the implication is that Sideous' true physical nature was revealed at that time, nothing more.
Evidence for this:
The subtext that is blatantly displayed all through that scene with body language and cuts to reactions from characters, indicates that Palpatine is in control there all along... but too weak to maintain the illusion that his darkside awesomeness had previously allowed him.
The way that the whole scene with Palp's control/anticipation/manipulation in mind, you can see very easily that he was toying with Mace who he allowed to live long enough to do the old
"See Anakin, the Jedi are taking over..They'll kill me and you lose Padme unless you whore yourself out as my protector" bit.
The crusty old guy killed three Jedi in front of Mace and Mace couldn't do a thing about it, but somehow Mace beats him 1-on-1? Na.
The sheer arrogance and confidence in Palp's own abilities is evident when Mace and crew walk in and declare he's under arrest, he was never scared for a second. Might as well have been four Ewoks with stone spears that walked in.
Palps knew Anakin out of training/loyalty would initially run to the Jedi and tell them what Palp's just told him, he knew they'd come to arrest him and he new the poison of Padme dieing would force Anakin to come running back to the one guy he thought could save her. Sure it was a bit stupid, but that's GL for you.
You retards.
This thread should be closed. Mace already defeated Palpatine.
Me thinks there's people are opposing for teh lulz.
Even the choreographer rated the duelists on a scale of 1-10 and he said Mace wasn't on the scale. 😐
The friggin' fight choreographer, douches.
So, you've got Palps getting defeated on screen, GL saying Mace won fair and square, fight choreographer indicating that Mace wasn't a 1-10 character, and the book indicating that Mace won as well. What else do you guys want? You have GL himself saying Mace won in the DVD commentary which means...even if we had Palps cut Mace's head off, Mace still won. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemonMace DID win, they know it, they are just like in love with that half second clip where they say Palps was toying with Mace. Mace won because he was better.
You retards.This thread should be closed. Mace already defeated Palpatine.
Me thinks there's people are opposing for teh lulz.
Even the choreographer rated the duelists on a scale of 1-10 and he said Mace wasn't on the scale. 😐
The friggin' fight choreographer, douches.
So, you've got Palps getting defeated on screen, GL saying Mace won fair and square, fight choreographer indicating that Mace wasn't a 1-10 character, and the book indicating that Mace won as well. What else do you guys want? You have GL himself saying Mace won in the DVD commentary which means...even if we had Palps cut Mace's head off, Mace still won. 😐
Originally posted by Robtard
Yet all that (after the fact too) goes against what is seen on screen, shitballs.
No it doesn't. What you're saying goes against what is on screen.
Originally posted by Robtard
Where does Yoda fit in this supposed scale?
He's a 9, so is Palps, so is Anakin in III.
Obi Wan is an 8.
I'll see if I can find that interview. It was many years ago...
Originally posted by dadudemon
No it doesn't. What you're saying goes against what is on screen.He's a 9, so is Palps, so is Anakin in III.
Obi Wan is an 8.
I'll see if I can find that interview. It was many years ago...
Palpatine was playing all along, do you think it was just sheer coincidence that he's disarmed a second before Anakin walks in? Despite that he took on three other Jedi and Mace and dominated a minute before.
Starting at 2:45, Palps is playing the "woe is me, I'm dieing and too weak" game, yet seeks in that crafty peek and smile at Anakin. Then Anakin attacks Mace according to plan and suddenly Palp's who was weak and spent four seconds before, suddenly can lighting the **** out of Mace again?
See, take it all into account, it doesn't jive with Mace being the better swordsman. Palp's played him, it's oh so clear.
Originally posted by Robtard
Palpatine was playing all along, do you think it was just sheer coincidence that he's disarmed a second before Anakin walks in? Despite that he took on three other Jedi and Mace and dominated a minute before.Starting at 2:45, Palps is playing the "woe is me, I'm dieing and too weak" game, yet seeks in that crafty peek and smile at Anakin. Then Anakin attacks Mace according to plan and suddenly Palp's who was weak and spent four seconds before, suddenly can lighting the **** out of Mace again?
See, take it all into account, it doesn't jive with Mace being the better swordsman. Palp's played him, it's oh so clear.
It's only clear that Palps played him to you and a few other people with Mace gimping delusions. Not even the choreographer agrees with the gimping.
Who's gimping here? Not the people saying Palp had the upperhand the entire time.
1) Palp kills three Jedi while figthing Mace, Mace can't do a thing about it
2) Mace disarms Palp moments before Anakin walks in
3) Palp claims he's too weak and can't fight anymore
4) He gives that gay ass peek towards Anakin while Anakin and Mace are arguing
5) Palp who was weak and spent moments before, suddenly can attack again
Add it all up, doesn't jive with what the plot of the film was and what GL stated after the film. Jackson stated he would only do the film if he "didn't go out like a punk", he clearly did go out like a punk, so it stands to reason GL said what he said AFTER the film to make Jackson feel better about his role.
Originally posted by Robtard
Who's gimping here? Not the people saying Palp had the upperhand the entire time.1) Palp kills three Jedi while figthing Mace, Mace can't do a thing about
You mean the others couldn't do anything about it, right? Because Mace certainly survived that, no problem. 😉
Originally posted by Robtard
2) Mace disarms Palp moments before Anakin walks in
Another reason Mace is stronger, obviously.
Originally posted by Robtard
3) Palp claims he's too weak and can't fight anymore
Another interpretation for the "why" on this is so he can trick Mace into letting his inpentritrable guard down. Further evidence of this is his release of Force Lightening.
Originally posted by Robtard
4) He gives that gay ass peek towards Anakin while Anakin and Mace are arguing#
Correct. Hoping that Anaking would save him and also to try and get Mace's guard down. Why is this not obvious to you?
Originally posted by Robtard
5) Palp who was weak and spent moments before, suddenly is perfectly fine and powerful again.
See my above points.
Originally posted by Robtard
Add it all up,
Doing so clearly nets us with Mace clearly beating Palps and Palps using Ananking to save his ass.
Originally posted by Robtard
doesn't jive with what the plot of the film was and what GL stated after the film.
Only in your Mace gimping opinion, which, btw, isn't fact at all. It is literally wrong. Opinions can be wrong when facts contradict them.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jackson stated he would only do the film if he "didn't go out like a punk", he clearly did go out like a punk, so it stands to reason GL said what he said AFTER the film to make Jackson feel better about his role.
This is such an absurd stretch that it's rediculous.
Now, here's part of the quote from what I was talking about:
"Obi-Wan is at a level 8, which is where Anakin starts. But Anakin jumps to level 9 -- and the difference between 8 and 9 is enormous. A Jedi can get to level 9, but that's the difference between light and dark. The duel actually gives you quite an idea about these characters, because Anakin has learned the fighting, he's enormously talented -- but he hasn't learned the mental side of it. Knowing all of that from a story standpoint was enormously helpful in choreographing the sequence,"
That's a snippet from the interview. Searching out stuff nets you forum discussions about that interview saying that Obi Wan was gimped by that scale...but I'm looking for the original interview convo that states that Mace is a special case.
Help me find the original interview.
If Mace is such the badass where is sabre skills can't be measured or compared against the others, he could have killed Palps easy when it was 4 on 1. Stands to reason.
Na, what I said.
-Before Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith began production, George Lucas was approached by Samuel L. Jackson who, knowing that Mace Windu was to die in the film, insisted that his character not die "like some punk". While promoting the movie on Conan O'Brien, he revealed his request to Conan, who joked that perhaps Mace would meet his demise by slipping on some soap in the shower.-
Agen Kolar and Seasee Tinn were killed right away, they were taken by surprise. Kit Fisto fell shortly after, then Mace had him one on one. The Jedi were crowded together, forced to be a bit restricted with their attacks, for danger of striking their comrade/s. Palpy knew this, this is why he positioned himself where he was, this is why he launched himself at them in such a dense space, where he had the advantage. If the Jedi had been more spread out, able to surround Palpy, he would have been killed quickly. Even when it was Fisto and Mace, you can see Palpy moving in such a fashion to keep Fisto between himself and Mace. With the other Jedi struck down, Mace had all the room he needed.
As for Palpy being spent one second, then shooting lightning the next, he knew he was beaten and was playing possum. He knew if he appeared helpless, Mace would be reluctant to strike him down. It was only when Anakin appeared that Palpy seemed to be rejuvenated.
"You are under arrest, my Lord."
"Anakin, I told you it would come to this."
At this point, Palpy could feel Anakins feelings and knew for certain Anakin would intervene if Mace were to attempt to strike him down.
Mace beat Palpy. He made a mistake by not striking him down immediately. At no time did Palpy "toy" with Mace.
Saves thinking for yourself, I guess, that copy and paste.
Oh, its a godsend. 😉
We're all aware of this, still does jive with what was shown on screen to us; that is the point.
No, the point is that if Lucas states something to do with Star Wars, its fact /end.
1) Palp kills three Jedi while figthing Mace, Mace can't do a thing about it
Those 3 died becuase they simply arn't on Palpatines level and couldn't keep up. Mace couldn't help them becuase neither is he. BUT, Mace has a special ability called Vapaad which allows him to leech off of Palpatines darkside energy to reach his speed and power. This is the only reason he won.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You retards.This thread should be closed. Mace already defeated Palpatine.
Me thinks there's people are opposing for teh lulz.
Even the choreographer rated the duelists on a scale of 1-10 and he said Mace wasn't on the scale. 😐
The friggin' fight choreographer, douches.
So, you've got Palps getting defeated on screen, GL saying Mace won fair and square, fight choreographer indicating that Mace wasn't a 1-10 character, and the book indicating that Mace won as well. What else do you guys want? You have GL himself saying Mace won in the DVD commentary which means...even if we had Palps cut Mace's head off, Mace still won. 😐
Who ya calling retard, retard? 😛