Elektra vs. Steve Rogers

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
cap lost to taskmaster and got his shield stolen ny him and was being made dun of by tasky, hell call needed help from the power pack to defeat taskmaster. come on man do you read comics?

Originally posted by Survivor19
Mister X is overrated.
Cap held his own agains Wolverine in berserker mode.
Mister X was curbstomped.

Taskmaster is worse fighter then Cap. Common knoledge. Even Tony himself admits it.

Taskmaster IS a worse fighter than Cap..... Sometimes... Sometimes he's better. His fighting ability is contingent on how much he's been watching and how recently.

Cap never fought berserker Wolverine, he fought a brainwashed Wolverine who had the mindset of a werewolf which is something completely different... and he lost that fight. 😐

Originally posted by Starscream M
most streetlevlers have impressive bullet feats

also, cap maynot be a better fighter, but cap is no worse either

Not as impressive as hers...

And I said she was more skilled...

Who's a better fighter is another debate.

Originally posted by jinzin
Cap never fought berserker Wolverine, he fought a brainwashed Wolverine who had the mindset of a werewolf which is something completely different... and he lost that fight. 😐

Ok, i've re-read that fight.
You are right about that.

why the hell did not she mind rape bullseye

dunno. Her tp is more a skill than a power and it was one she learned in part from the Hand. The same group gave Bullseye months worth of training specifically for her. 😬

Originally posted by Starscream M
how do you judge that ogun, mantis, etc are better at fighting than Cap?

ogun made wolverine look foolish.

mantis fights anddefeats cosmic level beings due to skill alone

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Cap in both scenarios.

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MA Skill is not always akin to being a better fighter. As for the Cap and Wolverine comparisons in the above posts, Elektra does not have the luxury of a healing factor.

Personally id go with Cap for both, id say he wins 10/10 each fight being very hard. Seh may be just as fast as him in a blitz but i think the fact he can exert his full capacity for a lot longer than her - in theory - she would eventually be overwhelmed by his sheer brute force/speed combined.

Along the lines of the commentary Danny Rand was spewing when he and & Cap were going at it. Although he was somewhat chi-less, he is still more skilled that Cap and most likely very close to Elektras physical attributes. Id say he is in a good position to judge how overwhelming Cap can be. The scene made it quite evident that if he didn't use his Chi, he would have been KTFO!

Originally posted by Starscream M
this is common knowledge that cap is the best fighter in marvel

No.
On Earth alone he's definatly not the top when you have guys like Ogun and Stick around.

And Wolverine, Taskmaster, Iron Fist (?) have all stalemated Cap in the past, other fighters like Shang Chi and Elektra are capable of such.

And then people like Gamora/Mantis can use MA on a level where they can hurt high heralds like Thor.

Cap really isn't the best fighter in Marvel. Top 20, yeah, but not the top.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
No.
On Earth alone he's definatly not the top when you have guys like Ogun and Stick around.

And Wolverine, Taskmaster, Iron Fist (?) have all stalemated Cap in the past, other fighters like Shang Chi and Elektra are capable of such.

And then people like Gamora/Mantis can use MA on a level where they can hurt high heralds like Thor.

Cap really isn't the best fighter in Marvel. Top 20, yeah, but not the top.

Isn't it there abilities that makes a few of those guys alot more of a threat? Chi-less Ironfist? Eventual[ly he would have been wrecked by Steve, Tsskmaster? way to inconsistant, on his best day he can match Steve Blow for Blow, but then thats his ability. Wolverine without his Luxury HF /denser bones? Im not convinced. At least we know Caps all man..i mean yeah he's got the syrum, but he's not healing broken bones and regenerating eyeballs in 2 panels. And he's not Chi-slapping a steam train into a million peices either. He gets cut like a man, and he hits like a man, and he heals like a man even though his healing is enhanced, it's still too slow for it to matter in an ongoing encounter - unlike the Reen.

I think when people call him, the best fighter on MA earth, they mean pound for pound. Level ground. Saying wolverines better is like.. i dunno, of course he is he has an insane HF and insane physiology.

Except pound for pound Steve has a huge advantage over most MA's, being that he is enhanced beyond the standard human being.

Chi does make Iron Fist a bigger threat, but without it he's still Cap's better in pure skill. Tasky's ability isn't really an advantage, as it simply allows him to quickly learn skills. Wolverine's HF and powers give him the advantage when fighting Cap, but training wise Logan has always been up there with Steve.

Guys like the Mandarin are normal humans, but would take Steve in h2h. Hell, Mandarin cracked Iron Man's chest plate with one hit, without using the rings, but then again he's on a Ogun/Stick level of MA...

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Except pound for pound Steve has a huge advantage over most MA's, being that he is enhanced beyond the standard human being.

Ermm its mainly skill that makes him dangerous and without the SSS he would still be top tier. saying that his enhancement give him a huge advantage is a big exaggeration.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ermm its mainly skill that makes him dangerous and without the SSS he would still be top tier. saying that his enhancement give him a huge advantage is a big exaggeration.

without the SSS cap couldnt compete against guys like Daredevil, moonknight, bullseye or punisher. in the comics when he initially lost the SSS he couldnt even land a single punch on moondragon. he did so horrible that moondragon massacred him, insulting and belittling his skills.
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Moondragon is pro.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Except pound for pound Steve has a huge advantage over most MA's, being that he is enhanced beyond the standard human being.

This isn't true at all, if it were, there would be no Batman vs Cap debate, let alone an Elektra vs Cap debate, going by Batmans and Elektras high-end feats it makes the SSS look laughable, because they just about achieve exactly the type of feats Cap does and all they had to do was work out a lot. more or less ^^

SSS - meh. Daredevil has acrobatic and agility feats that chump the SSS and he is only Peak Human.

It's not that much of an advantage.

Iron Fist said Cap`s technique is basic but his speed and power is incredible. Not suprising concidering his strikes are mainly Boxing which, while highly effective does not include a whole lot of different attacks. No doubt his own persnal style, his skill with the shield and his cunning mind puts him among the very best fighters there are. If he took the time to truly master a more deadly art (no doubt he is already very skilled in some) and successfully add it to his own style he could be the best there is. If.

Originally posted by jinzin
She did it to Nick Fury, she messed wit Superskrulls, se's able to read Logan's thoughts.... Yet Cap has some sort of better defense... yeah. 🙄 Okay.
Xavier? Lol, way to stuff words in my mouth. Xavier she ain't, but she DOES have telepathic abilities and HAS used them against more than the usual riff raff...

She's blocked machine gun fire bullet for bullet. 😐

Cap's not a better fighter.

Yeah because able to read Logans thoughts = mind rape. Daredevil has also mind talked with people before. Superskrulls are not A list fighters and neither is Nick. None of those are top and or cream of the crop skillfull fighters, again you fail. Show me her mind raping characters like Daredevil, Shang chi, Iron fist or Cap. I bet you won't be able to.

She's blocked machine gun fire so what. Cap's blocked laser beams and dodged beams under zero gravity. Plus she's athlete level while Cap is at the peak of human potential. Even you argued Cap is superhuman lol. Elektra isn't even at the peak of human potential.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
without the SSS cap couldnt compete against guys like Daredevil, moonknight, bullseye or punisher. in the comics when he initially lost the SSS he couldnt even land a single punch on moondragon. he did so horrible that moondragon massacred him, insulting and belittling his skills.
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Originally posted by jinzin

Cap never fought berserker Wolverine, he fought a brainwashed Wolverine who had the mindset of a werewolf which is something completely different... and he lost that fight. 😐

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Actually it was noted he was berserker. Book statements>>>>jinzin statements. Plus he didn't have the mind set of a werewolf your making things up. Second he didn't lose to Logan. I already proved you wrong on this many times. Repeating something wrong over and over again does not make it right.

Third since you mentioned Elektra fairs great against Logan. Elektra mentioned the reason why Logan does so bad against her, while she is trying to kill Logan. Logan on the other hand is holding back trying to reach her your own scans showed this.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually it was noted he was berserker. Book statements>>>>jinzin statements. Plus he didn't have the mind set of a werewolf your making things up. Second he didn't lose to Logan.

Apparently in that arc Wolverine described Caps shield a shiny....apparently.