Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You dont know what the hell you're talking about. Cant be arsed to prove you wrong...well not right now. Well ok hes beaten Crossbones without SSS and the only reason why Crossbones didnt kill Bullseyes wa because he wanted Bullseyes to die slowly. There were more cirumstances to Cap losing to Moondragon apart from SSS. You sir fail.
Yup especially since the SSS what hurting Cap as well during the course of that arch.
i am well aware about the negative effects of the SSS, none of the effects were present when he fought moondragon it was still fairly recent to when he lost the SSS. he wasnt in pain or having seizures or body lock. i know that cap required a suit later on as it progressed and had lost much of his stamina only able to peak for a few minutes before fatigue set in.
also hasnt cap had difficulty with ppl like crossbones, redskull, DD, IF? so why would he be able to defeat them when he has lost the edge of the sss that many have noted in their fights that allows them to compete with them? your allowing your personal feelings for the character to cloud your judgment.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am well aware about the negative effects of the SSS, none of the effects were present when he fought moondragon it was still fairly recent to when he lost the SSS. he wasnt in pain or having seizures or body lock. i know that cap required a suit later on as it progressed and had lost much of his stamina only able to peak for a few minutes before fatigue set in.
I think there were even other factors as well...
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
also hasnt cap had difficulty with ppl like crossbones, redskull, DD, IF? so why would he be able to defeat them when he has lost the edge that many have noted in their fights that allows them to compete with them? your allowing your personal feelings for the character to cloud your judgment.
Dont even understand what you just said.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am well aware about the negative effects of the SSS, none of the effects were present when he fought moondragon. he wasnt in pain or having seizures or body lock. i know that cap required a suit later on as it progressed and had lost much of his stamina only able to peak for a few minutes before fatigue set in.also hasnt cap had difficulty with ppl like crossbones, redskull, DD, IF? so why would he be able to defeat them when he has lost the edge that many have noted in their fights that allows them to compete with them? your allowing your personal feelings for the character to cloud your judgment.
None of the effects were present. Heck they mentioned the problem of the SSS in that fight as the reason to the why and we know what problems it was causing. So 1+ 1. Ignoring this is pure fallacy IMO or irrational at best.
Second Cap defeated crossbones without the SSS among other feats. Redskull normally he defeats and Red has to run away.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh I see. I read what jinzin said again. He assumed that because Cap described his shield as shiny then that must have been how Wolverine thought....yeah I know.
jinzin is lying because I have disproved him on everything in that arch. They couldn't even turn Logan into a wolf because his healing factor rejected there serum. So they used mind control him as they did Moonstone and the others.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think there were even other factors as well...Dont even understand what you just said.
1. fine cap was hypnotized into fighting the infinity watch.
2. the SSS is what allows cap to compete at other street lvlers lvl.
ppl like BP, IF have noted he is only able to compete with them because of the sss giving him speed reaction time coupled by his basic fighting ability. DD has mention that cap is tough because he is a supersoldier.
if you remove the serum caps reaction time slows down to the point that ppl like DD would not only be able to avoid him but also land brutal multiple nerve strikes for a ko.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow2. the SSS is what allows cap to compete at other street lvlers lvl.
ppl like BP, IF have noted he is only able to compete with them because of the sss giving him speed reaction time coupled by his basic fighting ability. DD has mention that cap is tough because he is a supersoldier.if you remove the serum caps reaction time slows down to the point that ppl like DD would not only be able to avoid him but also land brutal multiple nerve strikes for a ko.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well ok hes beaten Crossbones without SSS and the only reason why Crossbones didnt kill Bullseyes was because he wanted Bullseyes to die slowly. There were more cirumstances to Cap losing to Moondragon apart from SSS. You sir fail.
Basically the story showed that if Crossbones and Bullseye fought h2h Crossbones would decimate him.
Actually I think Cap and DD fought when his SSS was giving trouble. This is when DD had the armour suit.
Originally posted by Juk3nYeah I already pointed that out. Thanks.
MA Skill is not always akin to being a better fighter.
Originally posted by Juk3nAnd neither does Cap.
As for the Cap and Wolverine comparisons in the above posts, Elektra does not have the luxury of a healing factor.
Originally posted by Juk3nThat's.... insane....
Personally id go with Cap for both, id say he wins 10/10 each fight being very hard.
Originally posted by Juk3nAs noted, it's taken six hours in a fight just to draw her to a complete disadvantage by Drake, she wasn't tired.
Seh may be just as fast as him in a blitz but i think the fact he can exert his full capacity for a lot longer than her - in theory - she would eventually be overwhelmed by his sheer brute force/speed combined.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah because able to read Logans thoughts = mind rape.
Nice seeing you strawman "for a change" 🙄
If that's what you think I was arguing I'm sorry for your comprehensive skills and ability to reason.
Originally posted by Daredevil1With other members of the Chaste? Sure. But I'm not talking about just talking with Wolverine, I'm talking about plucking Wolverine's thoughts out of his head and restating them back to him to his surprise.
Daredevil has also mind talked with people before.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Superskrulls are not A list fighters and neither is Nick.
So I fail to see what being a top level fighter has to do with anything.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Wolverine isn't a cream of the crop fighter huh?
None of those are top and or cream of the crop skillfull fighters, again you fail.
Y'know it's as if you're just TRYING to throw your credability out the window...
Originally posted by Daredevil1WTF? Uh yeah, because she doesn't fight these guys too often.... or... at all...
Show me her mind raping characters like Daredevil, Shang chi, Iron fist or Cap. I bet you won't be able to.
Originally posted by Daredevil1So... it's a better display of speed AND accuracy then anything Cap has...
She's blocked machine gun fire so what.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Which was impressive but not comparible to the sheer hand/attack speed displayed by Elektra.
Cap's blocked laser beams and dodged beams under zero gravity.
Originally posted by Daredevil1He IS superhuman... I'm not arguing that Elektra is stronger or more durable than Cap. I said she's faster.
Plus she's athlete level while Cap is at the peak of human potential. Even you argued Cap is superhuman lol. Elektra isn't even at the peak of human potential.
And don't give me this handbook nonsense when her feats consistently outperform "athlete" levels.. it's ridiculous and disengenuous.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Actually it was ASSUMED by Captain America... who had no idea what was going on with the surrounding population much less with Wolverine... Talk about fail.
Actually it was noted he was berserker. Book statements>>>>jinzin statements.
Originally posted by Daredevil1😐
Plus he didn't have the mind set of a werewolf your making things up.
Did you read the arc?
Originally posted by Daredevil1He was pinned to the ground and unable to defend himself in spite of his resolve to do so... that's a disadvantage.
Second he didn't lose to Logan.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I already proved you wrong on this many times. Repeating something wrong over and over again does not make it right.
😂
Oh the irony.
Originally posted by Daredevil1So what? You think Cap will be more aggressive than Wolverine in a fight?
Third since you mentioned Elektra fairs great against Logan. Elektra mentioned the reason why Logan does so bad against her, while she is trying to kill Logan. Logan on the other hand is holding back trying to reach her your own scans showed this.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Lying?
jinzin is lying because I have disproved him on everything in that arch. They couldn't even turn Logan into a wolf because his healing factor rejected there serum. So they used mind control him as they did Moonstone and the others.
They used mindcontrol and Wolverine had the mindset of a werewolf.. What's there to lie about?
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually it was ASSUMED by Captain America... who had no idea what was going on with the surrounding population much less with Wolverine... Talk about fail.
Yeah because theres no way thats what the writer intended us to think. Actually Cap probably knows Wolverine quite well due to the fact they both did missions for the govt etc.
Originally posted by jinzin
Not at all, they're just different displays of types of speed.
Er no lasers > bullets.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAll of which Wolverine went berserk... because he does so so often right?
Yeah because theres no way thats what the writer intended us to think. Actually Cap probably knows Wolverine quite well due to the fact they both did missions for the govt etc.
Oh wait, he had to assume what Wolverine was like berserker because he's never seen it before..seriously.. THINK.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYou DO realise there's a difference between dodging speed and sheer hand speed right? 😕
Er no lasers > bullets.
Originally posted by jinzin
All of which Wolverine went berserk... because he does so so often right?Oh wait, he had to assume what Wolverine was like berserker because he's never seen it before..seriously.. THINK.
Hes met Wolverine before and he knows that wasnt normal Wolverine. In fact they've met alot. Again what do you think the writer was trying to imply?
Originally posted by jinzin
You DO realise there's a difference between dodging speed and sheer hand speed right? 😕
He blocked lasers with his hand ( he was wearing a gauntlet)...next!