Darkseid/Thanos vs WW Hulk/Rulk [h2h]

Originally posted by Allankles
First of all bringing up H/P is pointless unless DS was actually amping his h2h in the fight to the degrees he can i.e. amping his fists with energy or gaining mass for added durability and strength.

H/P is totally irrelevant for this debate as it's the definition of PIS i.e. a story that sacrificed a character's abilities to further a plot. And H/P DD had the benefited from a high degree of immunity to physical attacks. So either way a poor example.

DS has the options to beat Rulk & WWH using his powers to amp his h2h. And he has plenty of durability to hang with them regardless of amping.

So you're basically saying that Darkseid can punch harder than all of the things that WWH went through throughout his arc without a day of rest or healing?

There are so many of examples proving that either Rulk or WWH could basically beat darkseid to sleep.

Im not saying that Darkseid is weak because he's not but even THINKING that he could beat either of these opponents in a fist match is just plain out crazy.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's probably not dropping WWH.

And Hulk also can amp his strength and durability. 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
Amping his fists with energy? Gaining mass? Both qualify as h2h amping.

Not working.

Answer this question, why do you think throughout the entire WWH arc they were trying to get rid of his healing factor (nanites, xmen, etc...)

Yeah and its not working too.🪩

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's probably not dropping WWH.

And Hulk also can amp his strength and durability. 😛

WWH was being affected by far less. 😬 The type of blows that wouldn't make a dent on DS.

And amping his size/mass would mess up WWH imo based on what he faced and was troubled by in the story arch.

Yeah like shots from a Herc that didn't want to fight 😐

Yeah and WWH was being affected by far less too. 🪩

Originally posted by carver9
Why doesnt it help me when it was kind of plain and clear HP DD beat darkseid almost to death.

Second, tell me something besides doomsday adapting abilities that make you think he's WWH or Rulks superior.

Darkseid doesnt have anything in his arsena thats going to drop WWH or Rulk, so again, how is he winning this without his powers? 😕

Lol.

I guess you need a refresher.

Darkseid has superspeed. HP DD has superspeed. Supes has superspeed.

HP DD was extremely tough. First Darkseid hit HPDD with OB. That buried him in rubble with led to HPDD getting the jump on Darkseid.

Those same OB turned Cyborg into a orb.

Also Supes needed a Mother Box just to be able to trade blows with HP DD.

Shall I go on?

Originally posted by Allankles
WWH was being affected by far less. 😬

Also, was Countdown the only time Darkseid showed that size increase? Because I've seen Quan's argument for him being amped during it by tapping into Jimmy's powers. I've only read it once so I can't really comment intelligently on that...Also though, wasn't that particular part retconned by Morrison in Secret Files?

Yeah and darkseid has some superspeed too.

Originally posted by d3str0ya10
Yeah and WWH was being affected by far less too. 🪩

Originally posted by carver9
So you're basically saying that Darkseid can punch harder than all of the things that WWH went through throughout his arc without a day of rest or healing?

There are so many of examples proving that either Rulk or WWH could basically beat darkseid to sleep.

Im not saying that Darkseid is weak because he's not but even THINKING that he could beat either of these opponents in a fist match is just plain out crazy.

You act like the healing factor absorbs trauma, it doesn't. Whenever he got hit by a class one hundred punch it rocked him, again and again.

The healing factor merely heals the damage of the trauma it doesn't take the trauma away i.e the concussive effects are always the same for WWH, that's why he can burn out.

The Omega Force also amps DS stamina.

Not to mention he's got better h2h skills, can fly, is faster and can make his punches have an added explosive effect.

😇

Originally posted by Spire
Lol.

I guess you need a refresher.

Darkseid has superspeed. HP DD has superspeed. Supes has superspeed.

HP DD was extremely tough. First Darkseid hit HPDD with OB. That buried him in rubble with led to HPDD getting the jump on Darkseid.

Those same OB turned Cyborg into a orb.

Also Supes needed a Mother Box just to be able to trade blows with HP DD.

Shall I go on?

Show me doomsdays highest speed feat besides boosters words.

You do know this fight is without powers and I'm pretty sure if Doomsday got the jump on WWH, hulk would have countered with his attack.

Darkseid speed isnt impressive at all to me, his only real speed showing was his fight against orion and thats even debatable due to the audience seeing the entire fight. 😕

Wasnt the supes that used the mother box wasnt at complete power? 😕 A superman thats not at a 100 percent would die by doomsday, thats common sense.

Originally posted by Allankles
You act like the healing factor absorbs trauma, it doesn't. Whenever he got hit by a class one hundred punch it rocked him, again and again.

The healing factor merely heals the damage of the trauma it doesn't take the trauma away i.e the concussive effects are always the same for WWH, that's why he can burn out.

The Omega Force also amps DS stamina.

Not to mention he's got better h2h skills, can fly, is faster and can make his punches have an added explosive effect.

Having better h2h skills is debatable, even being faster is debatable but its common knowledge that wwh is stronger.

Do you honestly want to know how fast hulk heals. Lets put it like this, his healing factor is double wolverines and wolverine gets punched by hulk and his insides turns to jello but he heals before the next punch.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you honestly want to know how fast hulk heals. Lets put it like this, his healing factor is double wolverines and wolverine gets punched by hulk and his insides turns to jello but he heals before the next punch.

That statement by Wolverine holds no more value than the years of claims that any loss of major organ would kill him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That statement by Wolverine holds no more value than the years of claims that any loss of major organ would kill him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Come on, man. We're above word games. I didn't say it wouldn't affect WWH. I said it wouldn't drop him.

Also, was Countdown the only time Darkseid showed that size increase? Because I've seen Quan's argument for him being amped during it by tapping into Jimmy's powers. I've only read it once so I can't really comment intelligently on that...Also though, wasn't that particular part retconned by Morrison in Secret Files?

He couldn't tap into Jimmy's powers at the time and had to wrestle control of Jimmy's powers by force. The retconning happened but Countdown is pretty much pre FC DS in a nutshell.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Was the statement that Hulk's HF is twice Logan's own? Logan said that?

That statement that his insides regrow.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That statement by Wolverine holds no more value than the years of claims that any loss of major organ would kill him.

That statement is pretty much common sense since hulk punches is off the charts. Wolverine insides should turn to liquid fighting the hulk. So why isnt that statement true when its pretty much common sense?