Originally posted by omgchos
Besides the fact that he said he would have taught it to harry in the movies, but was afraid that if voldy somehow figured out dumbly was teaching it to him he may have hurt harry in his attempt to get at dumbledore. Which indicates that dumbledore is skilled enough to teach Ocllumency to harry. Which means he'd have to be skilled in legilimency.
No, failed logic.
The movies specifically state that Vold is the best in legitimacy, that is why he can use it to do something besides just read minds, ie control minds.
Dumbledore can't control minds with it, he can read minds with it, whic is the main purpose of the spell. There goes your ace, sorry.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, failed logic.The movies specifically state that Vold is the best in legitimacy, that is why he can use it to do something besides just read minds, ie control minds.
Dumbledore can't control minds with it, he can read minds. There goes your ace, sorry.
Originally posted by omgchos
I like how you say the movie specifically states as if it was true. It just said he loved to use it all the time.
It's not a matter if he can use it, he can. But can he use it on par with the master of it, Voldermort. No, he can't, it isn't said, or shown. In fact, they specifically say Voldermort is the best at it, hence his ability to use it beyond it's original scope.
So do drop it, because lying in here is just silly.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's not a matter if he can use it, he can. But can he use it on par with the master of it, Voldermort. No, he can't, it isn't said, or shown.So do drop it, because lying in here is just silly.
Yeah Occlumency is specifically designed to block LEGILIMENCY.
Its designed to protect your mind, so its the same thing. And Harry was trying to block Voldemort from influencing his mind via visions etc. As we know that Legilimens requires a spell and a wand to cast, Voldemort could not have been using Legilimens to attack Potters mind, so Potter and Dumbledore were trying to use Occlumency to stop him from affecting it another way and Snapes comments can be taken to be solely about Potters case.
I'm going to bed now.
Originally posted by KingD19
Were either Snape or Voldemort shown using it on the level of Voldy? Were they making him talk in their own voices, etc??? No, so they aren't on Voldy's level.
Originally posted by NephthysNot all spells require a wand if the wizard is strong enough. Dumbles uses Arresto Momentum without a wand when Harry fell off his firebolt. A wand is more of an aiming device.
Its designed to protect your mind, so its the same thing. And Harry was trying to block Voldemort from influencing his mind via visions etc. As we know that Legilimens requires a spell and a wand to cast, Voldemort could not have been using Legilimens to attack Potters mind, so Potter and Dumbledore were trying to use Occlumency to stop him from affecting it another way and Snapes comments can be taken to be solely about Potters case.I'm going to bed now.
Originally posted by Robtard
No.This has turned into another Mutants Vs. Wizards, where you HP fanboys add more to the spells and more than what is shown in the films. It gets old.
Either show me Dumbledore using legitimacy on the level of Voldermort (ie mind-raping) or STFU.