Ironman vs Dumbledore

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dumbledore can't read minds? Dude, he is the most powerful wizard in the world, he trained Voldemort, he is the headmaster at Hogwarts. Do the math.

Why do I sense that if I started the following threads you'd say nithing?

McClane with an M60
McClane with a sniper rifle
McClane with an Uzi
McClane with an SSG

You'd accept it and go with it, because it's your boy. Even though he is never shown USING those weapons. You aren't going with it here because you have some sort of inner hatred for HP. Simple as that.

Now, did I say that, or did I say 'Dumledore can read minds, but he can't control them', with legitimacy? It was the later.

What would I have to say? People have started many threads and stated characters have different gear than what is shown in the films, it's allowed. That is far different than claiming magical abilities not shown on-screen, which is what you're doing.

Tell you what, make another Iron Man Vs Dumbledore thread and specifically specify that Dumbledore can control minds like Xavier, has Xeno-blood, can use the force and had a lightsabre for a wand. That guy could beat Iron Man.

Until then, every single point brought up by the pro-HP people in here has been shredded and Dumbledore is getting blasted by the quicker and tougher Iron Man.

Originally posted by Robtard
Now, did I say that, or did I say 'Dumledore can read minds, but he can't control them', with legitimacy? It was the later.

What would I have to say? People have started many threads and stated characters have different gear than what is shown in the films, it's allowed. That is far different than claiming magical abilities not shown on-screen, which is what you're doing.

Tell you what, make another Iron Man Vs Dumbledore thread and specifically specify that Dumbledore can control minds like Xavier, has Xeno-blood, can use the force and had a lightsabre for a wand. That guy could beat Iron Man.

Until then, every single point brought up by the pro-HP people in here has been shredded and Dumbledore is getting blasted by the quicker and tougher Iron Man.

You are implying that the most powerful wizard in the world cannot perfom Legilimency, that Dumbles cannot control IM's mind. The magical ability IS shown on screen in OOTP. Implying that Dumbles cannot weild it is just stupid.

Magical abilities is basically a wizards weaponry, saying Dumbles cannot use Legilimency (which can and does control minds) is like saying Mac cannot use a Colt Python, or saying Dirty Harry cannot use a Beretta 9mm, or saying Neo cannot use a baseball bat, etc;

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are implying that the most powerful wizard in the world cannot perfom Legilimency, that Dumbles cannot control IM's mind. The magical ability IS shown on screen in OOTP. Implying that Dumbles cannot weild it is just stupid.

Magical abilities is basically a wizards weaponry, saying Dumbles cannot use Legilimency (which can and does control minds) is like saying Mac cannot use a Colt Python, or saying Dirty Harry cannot use a Beretta 9mm, or saying Neo cannot use a baseball bat, etc;

Not all wizards are as skilled in spells to the same level of mastery, just because he's supposed to be "the most powerful wizard", doesn't mean he's automatically on par with Voldermort in that particular spell, since Voldermort happens to be the most proficient in that spell, despite not being "the most powerful".

So show me Dumbledore controlling minds and doing it within second, or drop it, son. Otherwise he can read minds and given enough time and concentration, can make people feel uneasy and go a bit stiff, which won't be enough to stop a blast to his face.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore

Later on, Dumbledore made it his business to try and find out about Lord Voldemort's past. He did this by questioning people who had known him as a child and a teenager, and obtained Voldemort-related memories from them. He collected memories from Bob Ogden, Morfin Gaunt, Horace Slughorn and the house-elf Hokey.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Legilimency

The most advanced Legilimens can perform Legilimency nonverbally, but less talented practitioners must use the incantation Legilimens to enter their victim's mind. If a target is not skilled in Occlumency, a Legilimens will be able to detect if the person is lying, as well as delve into their thoughts, emotions, and memories. Highly skilled Legilimens can also influence a mind that they invade;

Dumbledore being the most powerful wizard in the world, yeah, I'd say he is an advanced practitioner.

BTW Forum rules state wiki counts ✅

That's the same link I previously posted, chief.

I like how you cut it off, right before it proves the point I made above:

"for example, Lord Voldemort, considered perhaps the most skilled Legilimens of his time, was able to send Harry Potter incredibly realistic visions of the Department of Mysteries and his godfather, and later to temporarily possess him."

Also of note: "It is easier to perform Legilimency when the target and practitioners' eyes meet"

So yeah, what I said, Dumbledore can't control minds, he can read them and detect lies. Unless you have some on-screen proof, which doesn't exist. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the same link I previously posted, chief.

I like how you cut it off, right before it proves the point I made above:

"for example, [b]Lord Voldemort, considered perhaps the most skilled Legilimens of his time, was able to send Harry Potter incredibly realistic visions of the Department of Mysteries and his godfather, and later to temporarily possess him."

Also of note: "It is easier to perform Legilimency when the target and practitioners' eyes meet"

So yeah, what I said, Dumbledore can't control minds, he can read them and detect lies. Unless you have some on-screen proof, which doesn't exist. 🙂 [/B]

Did you watch the end battle in OOTP? Dumbles matched Voldy, he went toe to toe with him, neither gaining the upper hand. Dumbles is 116 years old. To say he is not a master at Legilimency is ignoring logic and wanting the other guy to win.

Tell me I am full of shit, tell me Dumbles cant control IM's mind, tell me the same shit you have been for pages now, but the fact is that Dumbles would control IM's mind.

Legilimency is just one of several ways Dumbles beats IM, you know.

If we do away with the on-screen feats rule, sure Dumbledore can do anything, 'cuz he's magical'. So lets just say he travels back in time to a time when Tony was a wee lad and does what a pedophile does. He can also turn the moon to cheese, with the magiky magics.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we do away with the on-screen feats rule, sure Dumbledore can do anything, 'cuz he's magical'. So lets just say he travels back in time to a time when Tony was a wee lad and does what a pedophile does. He can also turn the moon to cheese, with the magiky magics.

Dumbledore can't read minds? Dude, he is the most powerful wizard in the world, he trained Voldemort, he is the headmaster at Hogwarts. Do the math.

And Stark is the leader of Stark industries, which made those sonic devices that took on the Hulk. So, logically he should have those incorporated into his suit, allowing him to attack with omni-directional sonic attacks, right? No. Movie arsenal only.

And Voldemort did alot of outside study after hogwarts and during, theres nothing to suggest that means Dumbledore taught him his spells and so have his feats too. And I believe Dumbledore was the transfiguration teacher. Legilimency would hardly be on his curriculum. 😛

McClane with an M60
McClane with a sniper rifle
McClane with an Uzi
McClane with an SSG

No, becuase all it takes to use those weapons are opposable thumbs, something Mclane has. Due to the complex nature of magic it would be like saying that if he can drive a car he can drive a helicopter, that if Dumbledore can do certain spells he can do others.

You are implying that the most powerful wizard in the world cannot perfom Legilimency, that Dumbles cannot control IM's mind. The magical ability IS shown on screen in OOTP.

By Snape. Not Dumbledore. And it requires the pointing of a wand and a spell, which gives Ironman time to set up his tracking shoulder-gun thing to shot him. So even if he can use legilimency, and even if he does take over Ironmans, and even if he can control minds, and even if Ironmans strong will can't hamper him, he still gets blown away.

(which can and does control minds)

Prove it.

Legilimency is just one of several ways Dumbles beats IM, you know.

Post others, we will destroy them all.

Originally posted by omgchos
Insult the character.... that works. And you've got the basic principal of the fact that dumbly can do some amazing things. like turning an oncoming storm of glass into a bunch of harmless sand. Or slapping a fiery dragon across the face. Or trapping someone in a ball of water. Or turn into fire with the help of a phoenix. Or see people that are supposed to be invisible. I could go on but you know.

First of all, didn't you cry and state you were done? Second, I'm not insulting the character, I'm mocking you HP people who refuse to abide by the 'seen on film' rule and just arbitrarily decide what a character can do.

All those points you've said, if Dumbledore did them in the film(s), then sure, it's fair game to use them here, if not, you're just ranting again.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Post others, we will destroy them all.

Correction: We HAVE destroyed them all.

Originally posted by Robtard
First of all, didn't you cry and state you were done? Second, I'm not insulting the character, I'm mocking you HP people who refuse to abide by the 'seen on film' rule and just arbitrarily decide what a character can do.

All those points you've said, if Dumbledore did them in the film(s), then sure, it's fair game to use them here, if not, you're just ranting again.

To be quite honest, Pottervese wizards are underpowered.

Originally posted by omgchos
This is what im talking about. All you guys have done is argue against us and make vague allusions to how iron man is gonna somehow ultra pwn dumbledore. I mean every time an argument is made you don't refute it you ignore key elements and argue about something else to change the subject. I clearly stated that because snape incapacitated harry with legilimens, and dumbledore is better than snape that means our point is valid. Nothing to do with mind control. All he has to do is incapacitate him. And you keep saying we don't follow the rules by saying we know dumbledore can do a spell. Thats a copout and you know it. You will say anything to win. And its quite pathetic. We know dumbledore is as strong or stronger than voldemort. We know he can apperate and it doesn't take a wand gesture. Yet you assume iron man is just gonna pwn. And no matter what we say, like i said earlier, you blow it off. So instead of insulting me by saying im crying. Try to actually come up with arguments. Not call him a pedo and just say he's gonna get shot in the face. We both know you just have some sort of contempt for HP characters so just admit it. And before you say i have some kind of HP fanboyism going on, go look at the Saruman Vs. Voldemort thread. And while your at it look at other HP threads. You always side against them. This is one of your many flaws.

That was a complete lie, there was nothing vague about Iron Man having the ability to annihilate the likes of Dumbledore, me and others posted clear ways and followed the 'as seen' rules. The "pedo" bit is clearly a joke, stop taking it personal, I assure you Dumbledore (a fictional character) doesn't mind our jabs.

Again, most of your arguments go off the "well, he's a super powerful wizard, so he can just do this and that", instead of sticking with movie feats.

I've only posted in a few Vs threads that have an HP element to them, I sided with the other opponent(s) because that opponent happened to be more powerful, it has nothing to do with disliking Hary Potter, son. Go make an HP thread were the HP character can win, I assure you I'll side with the HP side if there is due cause.

Now you're pointing out my "flaws"? Hahahahahahahaaaa and ha, get the **** over yourself, seriously.

This is what im talking about. All you guys have done is argue against us and make vague allusions to how iron man is gonna somehow ultra pwn dumbledore. I mean every time an argument is made you don't refute it you ignore key elements and argue about something else to change the subject. I clearly stated that because snape incapacitated harry with legilimens, and dumbledore is better than snape that means our point is valid. Nothing to do with mind control. All he has to do is incapacitate him. And you keep saying we don't follow the rules by saying we know dumbledore can do a spell. Thats a copout and you know it. You will say anything to win. And its quite pathetic. We know dumbledore is as strong or stronger than voldemort. We know he can apperate and it doesn't take a wand gesture. Yet you assume iron man is just gonna pwn. And no matter what we say, like i said earlier, you blow it off. So instead of insulting me by saying im crying. Try to actually come up with arguments. Not call him a pedo and just say he's gonna get shot in the face. We both know you just have some sort of contempt for HP characters so just admit it. And before you say i have some kind of HP fanboyism going on, go look at the Saruman Vs. Voldemort thread. And while your at it look at other HP threads. You always side against them. This is one of your many flaws.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's what he does when he enters a thread here. When all else fails, it's "just cuz" or "nah."

Nah.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

BTW Forum rules state wiki counts ✅

Awesome. So if I go in and edit it to say that Dumbledore was killed by Iron Man, that should count, right...?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nah.

Just cuz. 🙄

Dude, in the spirit of your whole"Tell me, what does McClanes penis taste like? Does he trim his pubes? How about when he shoots his load? Does he grab your ears and laugh, or does he throw his head back and say yippy ki ya mother****er?".................

.....you are totally, totally gay for Harry Potter dude.