The Unstoppable Juggernaut vs. The Flash

Originally posted by Nihilist
Exactly.. Thor had to negate his enchantment to be able to bfr him, something Flash cant do,as it seems they go full out from the off with Juggs forcefeild up Flash cant do squat the Cain.

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When Thor battle field removed Juggernaut, the enchantment negating Juggernaut's power had already stopped. Meaning Juggernaut had all of his abilities, including his Force Field and Thor still battle field removed him.

He also did it using a simply Mjolnir trick throw. He could have easily created a vortex in space/time to battle field remove him, but Thor is written to rarely use his versatility, especially in the beginning, when fighting the Juggernaut, Hulk etc.

Again, why are you trying to compare a method of battle field removal that is completely different from what Flash does?

Flash creates a vortex in time/space. What exactly would the Force Field do, to stop that?

It doesn't involve physical contact at all and even then, Thor has shown, that Force Field or not, battle field removal is possible without bending time/space around Cain.

what do irrc and cis stand for?

Originally posted by Raptor22
what do irrc and cis stand for?

Character Induced Stupidity.

Rage, Rage, Rage, my dear son. I see you trying, I really do.

The best Flash can hope for is a BFR in any case.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Rage, Rage, Rage, my dear son. I see you trying, I really do.

The best Flash can hope for is a BFR in any case.

😆

True, the easiest way for Flash to win would be through battle field removal.

Not his only option though......

It's his one and only option.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It's his one and only option.

*cough* speed stealing *cough*

😛

He can also dumb his ass in a Big Bang, Entropy or some other powerful cosmic event. I would personally drop him off, right before, an Anti-Matter wave from "Crisis on Infinite Earth" Anti-Monitor. But it isn't in character.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*cough* speed stealing *cough*

::cough:: He's unstoppable ::cough::

He can also dumb his ass in a Big Bang, Entropy or some other powerful cosmic event. I would personally drop him off, right before, an Anti-Matter wave from "Crisis on Infinite Earth" Anti-Monitor. But it isn't in character.

Still with this nonsense? Despite the fact that DC characters are ridiculously over-powered, they don't pull shit like this out of their asses for every fight.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
::cough:: He's unstoppable ::cough::

First of all, as we've been shown, he clearly isn't unstoppable. Second, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

His unstoppable in most cases, but what does that have to do, with Flash attempting to steal his speed.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Still with this nonsense? Despite the fact that DC characters are ridiculously over-powered, they don't pull shit like this out of their asses for every fight.

Did I not just say that this wasn't in character?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
First of all, as we've been shown, he clearly isn't unstoppable. Second, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

His unstoppable in most cases, but what does that have to do, with Flash attempting to steal his speed.

Doesn't stealing ones speed effectively turn them into a statue i.e. stop them?

Not happening.

Did I not just say that this wasn't in character?

Then why bring it up?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Doesn't stealing ones speed effectively turn them into a statue i.e. stop them?

Not happening.

Like I said, Juggernaut clearly is not unstoppable. His been stopped on different occasions. Even with physical force alone.

Flash stealing his speed, is just that, Flash stealing his speed. He can try and be unstoppable all he wants, he isn't going anywhere if that works on him.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Then why bring it up?

It's not in character, for him to use his Force Field, but it's still brought up. I'm simply giving the list of options available, not saying that he would necessarily use them all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, Juggernaut clearly is not unstoppable. His been stopped on different occasions. Even with physical force alone.

Uhh when?

Flash stealing his speed, is just that, Flash stealing his speed. He can try and be unstoppable all he wants, he isn't going anywhere if that works on him.

Stopping is stopping regardless of how it's done. If Flash attempts to stop the Juggernaut by stealing his speed, he'll fail.

It's not in character, for him to use his Force Field, but it's still brought up. I'm simply giving the list of options available, not saying that he would necessarily use them all.

Activating his FF in order to prevent people from touching him is way at the other end of the spectrum from chucking someone into the speed force or entropy. If Flash had instant access to that at all times, no one could beat him.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Uhh when?

I thought you read Juggernaut's appearances? Thor stopped him, so did War Hulk.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Stopping is stopping regardless of how it's done. If Flash attempts to stop the Juggernaut by stealing his speed, he'll fail.

Why exactly would he fail?

We've seen the Juggernaut stopped before. You can't just say it wouldn't work, because Juggernaut is supposedly unstoppable, as we know he isn't. He could still be unstoppable, he just won't be able to move anywhere, if that makes sense....

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Activating his FF in order to prevent people from touching him is way at the other end of the spectrum from chucking someone into the speed force or entropy. If Flash had instant access to that at all times, no one could beat him.

Why the hell is it way at other end of the spectrum?

The principle is still the same. They both have access to this abilities, but they never use them because it's out of character.

He does have access to those abilities but he doesn't use them for the same reason, Thor doesn't use the God Blast against his opponents, Superman doesn't use Torquasm-Vo against his opponents, "or" Juggernaut doesn't will up his Force Field against his opponents.

Flash isnt stopping juggernaut, I cant believe this battle isnt closed. Thunderclap for the win or hell, juggernaut could just punch the ground, destroying the entire area around them, knocking flash off balance.

Originally posted by carver9
Flash isnt stopping juggernaut, I cant believe this battle isnt closed. Thunderclap for the win or hell, juggernaut could just punch the ground, destroying the entire area around them, knocking flash off balance.

Go pick up a Flash comic. I'm not even gonna bother breaking this statement apart.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought you read Juggernaut's appearances? Thor stopped him, so did War Hulk.

You said physical force. Neither was physical. In fact, both were very extreme methods. Methods Flash could never hope to duplicate.

Why exactly would he fail?

We've seen the Juggernaut stopped before. You can't just say it wouldn't work, because Juggernaut is supposedly unstoppable, as we know he isn't. He could still be unstoppable, he just won't be able to move anywhere, if that makes sense....

See my post above.

Why the hell is it way at other end of the spectrum?

The principle is still the same. They both have access to this abilities, but they never use them because it's out of character.

He does have access to those abilities but he doesn't use them for the same reason, Thor doesn't use the God Blast against his opponents, Superman doesn't use Torquasm-Vo against his opponents, "or" Juggernaut doesn't will up his Force Field against his opponents.

Juggernauts FF isn't some ridiculous plot power that you can use to give him the win in every battle.

The ones you listed are.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Go pick up a Flash comic. I'm not even gonna bother breaking this statement apart.

Im not arguing that flash isnt powerful because he is but he's not bfring someone that can basically control his density (walking foward, no force can stop him).

He's not getting past his force field or his durability.

You also said that flash can basically teleport him somewhere else. Answer this, you remember when thor teleported Juggernaut to another dimension, how do you think juggs got back? 😕 <-- Favorite smiley 😄

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You said physical force. Neither was physical. In fact, both were very extreme methods. Methods Flash could never hope to duplicate.

Thor didn't use physical force. Hulk on the other hand was amped, and stopped him using his amped physical strength.

Flash stealing his speed isn't an extreme method?

Of course he cannot duplicate those methods, but as we have seen Juggernaut is not unstoppable. He can be stopped. So saying Flash couldn't steal his speed simply because Juggernaut is not unstoppable isn't a solid argument.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
See my post above.

I did.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Juggernauts FF isn't some ridiculous plot power that you can use to give him the win in every battle.

The ones you listed are.

Neither are Flash's abilities. They are part of his power set just like Juggernaut's powers. Just because you don't like them don't make them ridiculous. I don't like his Force Field, but I still accept it.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not arguing that flash isnt powerful because he is but he's not bfring someone that can basically control his density (walking foward, no force can stop him).

He's not getting past his force field or his durability.

You also said that flash can basically teleport him somewhere else. Answer this, you remember when thor teleported Juggernaut to another dimension, how do you think juggs got back? 😕 <-- Favorite smiley 😄

This is why I said, go pick up a Flash comic. Seriously man, you could have at least, bothered to read through the thread so I didn't have to go through this again.

He isn't bypassing his Force Field or durability. He is creating a vortex, that bends time/space that can drop him whenever or wherever. That's one simple and true method of battle field removal. He could also steal his speed.

When Thor teleported Juggernaut to another dimension he was stuck there as I recall.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is why I said, go pick up a Flash comic. Seriously man, you could have at least, bothered to read through the thread so I didn't have to go through this again.

He isn't bypassing his Force Field or durability. He is creating a vortex, that bends time/space that can drop him whenever or wherever. That's one simple and true method of battle field removal. He could also steal his speed.

When Thor teleported Juggernaut to another dimension he was stuck there as I recall.

He was stuck there because he wanted to be stuck there. The question was, how did he get back to earth?