Spider-Man vs Punisher

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It doesnt have to be exactly the same you're missing the point. If Cap ducks which is actually a trap for a left hook in principle its still the same as Punisher ducking and making Spiderman fall through a trap door. In order for the trap to work you simply need to be fast enough to move out of the way.

You are nitpicking.

Im not talking about that now. Im merely pointing out to you that he was holding back if he wasnt theres a decent chance he could have shot him.

Originally posted by Mindset
If Cap ducked and Spiderman ran into a stationary outstretched arm, you'd have a point, as it stands, you don't.

Well at what point would Spidermans SS have warned him of the trap door? It would have only warned after Punisher ducked and by that time it was too late.

Even if I dont have an example of Cap hitting him with an outstretched arm if somebody ducks and Spiderman jumps over them Spiderman is going to keep travelling in that direction. Im pretty sure at some point Spiderman has attempted to hit somebody or grab them and landed on somebody or something clumsily. That is also situation where his SS would work because its warned him even when hes going to bump into people, but it didnt becuas he wasnt fast enough.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well at what point would Spidermans SS have warned him of the trap door? It would have only warned after Punisher ducked and by that time it was too late.

Even if I dont have an example of Cap hitting him with an outstretched arm if somebody ducks and Spiderman jumps over them Spiderman is going to keep travelling in that direction. Im pretty sure at some point Spiderman has attempted to hit somebody or grab them and landed on somebody or something clumsily. That is also situation where his SS would work because its warned him even when hes going to bump into people, but it didnt becuas he wasnt fast enough.

Originally posted by Mindset
It would warn him when he's over the trapdoor, which considering his maneuverability in the air and the fact the he has webs, he can avoid it.

You could use that same principle when Punisher shot Spiderman in mid-air but again he got shot because he wasnt fast enough. Thats really what it boils down to Punisher isnt as fast as Spiderman but hes fast enough to punk Spiderman with prep.

Originally posted by Mindset
It would warn him when he's over the trapdoor, which considering his maneuverability in the air and the fact the he has webs, he can avoid it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You could use that same principle when Punisher shot Spiderman in mid-air but again he got shot because he wasnt fast enough. Thats really what it boils down to Punisher isnt as fast as Spiderman but hes fast enough to punk Spiderman with prep.

Originally posted by Trackz
maybe the trapdoor wasnt registered as a real threat, spiderman didnt seem to feel threatened by it at all...i dunno

Originally posted by Mindset
Again, a bullet isn't a stationary trap door, not even close to being similar.

Doesnt matter. You're nitpicking and over analysing. Spiderman is fast enough to dodge bullets why couldnt he use the webbing to block the bullet? After all hes done it before obvoulsy his SS wasnt working. 😉

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Doesnt matter. You're nitpicking and over analysing. Spiderman is fast enough to dodge bullets why couldnt he use the webbing to block the bullet? After all hes done it before obvoulsy his SS wasnt working. 😉

And no, I'm not nitpicking or over analyzing at all. You keep trying to compare to dissimilar events.

Please stop with the unneeded sarcasm, I'm trying to have a civilized discussion with you.

Originally posted by Mindset
He's fast enough to dodge bullets, why not a trap door?

Because hes shown time and time again that street levelers can dodge him. Punisher was too quick for him and it was too late for Spiderman to react. The key thing to note its Punishers speed in ducking that made him get punked not the trap door itself, so in principle there is still some relation to him dodging moving objects.

According to your logic street levelers should not be able to punch Spiderman either. Really when it boils down to it you think that Spiderman would not have got punked and his SS should have warned him but that principle still applies to street levelers. A punch maybe moving but at most one could argue that a punch from Cap at max is 60 mph. Compared to the speed of a bullet thats a fraction in speed. Hell a punch from Cap might as well not be moving and Cap is the fastest of the non-superhuman street levelers.

In principle if you have a problem with a trap door you can also have a problem with him getting hit by Cap, but if we look at comicbook logic skilled humans can use speed to punk Spiderman.

Originally posted by Mindset

And no, I'm not nitpicking or over analyzing at all. You keep trying to compare to dissimilar events.

IMO you are.

Originally posted by Mindset

Please stop with the unneeded sarcasm, I'm trying to have a civilized discussion with you.

Ok but you do try to wind up posters some times which is what I thought you were trying to do.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Y'know they probably forgot to put it down. You yourself even mentioned that they dont always show the SS.

If street levelers can use their martial art skill to get Spiderman in a position of advantage Punisher can duck and get Spiderman into a trap. Ducking is an important part of the trap and we cant leave it out.

Actually its a matter of opinion he could have meant to do that. Anyway shooting to wound is harder than shooting to kill its not a bad shwoing considering he was missing by inches.

Yeah they are for example the third one has Spdierman hunting Pun. The point is his prep isnt going to be him using tech.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It could be any number of things really. Even chemicals that dissolve armor, he might integrate that into his webbing.

Originally posted by Trackz
why would he do that though, he's had opportunities to do many thing with prep time, he never takes advantage of it though, and seeing as of now spiderman just thinks the punisher is still only packing conventional weaponry, the fight should be in frank favor

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If he's preparing for his opponent why would he think that. He has made chemical formulas many times on the fly. He doesn't prep often because he really doesn't need to, doesn't mean he can. He is actually one of the best prep characters when he does it. His prepping skills are underrated.

Split for both Spider-Man and Castle.

Spidey has an IQ of 250+

And out brain powered Doc Ock

Spidey is more powerful and smarter. Frank better have the UN, IG, HOTU if he wants to win this...biscuits

Or just Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by Mindset
Or just Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Split for both Spider-Man and Castle.

👆

Why is it a split when Pun has beaten Spiderman many a time with prep?