Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Why is it a split when Pun has beaten Spiderman many a time with prep?
Because Spiderman is highly intelligent, and can prep himself effectively as well-though he's not in the same class as Frank, who is the prep master. Its not beyond the realms of possibility for Pete to think "Right, I'm up against someone skiled enough to shoot me" and prepare himself an armoured version of his costume. He did it before in Web of Spiderman #100 so he can do it again. With Peter's high intelligence he should able to come up witha suit which doesn't compromise his speed and agility to the same extent.
Originally posted by Trackz
its not in his character, he's going up against the punisher, who as far as he's concerned still carries conventional weaponry, spiderman has had the chance to prepare for many fights and rarely took advantage of it. I didn't say that he isn't good with preparation, however he barely ever feels the need ot use it even against opponents who are more of a threat than the punisher
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Originally posted by Eternal Idol
😐No, but he had prep.
Yes and Spiderman isnt going to do anything much more differently than he usually does with prep.
Punisher getting any kind of shot off or reacting as fast as Spider-Man is pis, Spider-Man's agility and reflexes are 15 times faster then normal man so Punisher being somewhere in the athlete to peak human level is no match for Spider-Man. Spider-Man could rip Franks spine from his back before Frank knew he was back there.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes and Spiderman isnt going to do anything much more differently than he usually does with prep.
This is one of those times when Castle defeated Spider-Man... by tricking him into a trap door with a prison cell underneath. If Spider-Man were bloodlusted, he could have webbed him up and beat Castle until he were just a stain on the ground. You could argue that Castle could have opened fire before that, but then I could just say Spider-Man could have killed Castle a few pages earlier instead of trying to follow him.
That's why I gave them the split. Either one is equally capable of killing the other in this scenario.
Originally posted by golem370
Punisher getting any kind of shot off or reacting as fast as Spider-Man is pis, Spider-Man's agility and reflexes are 15 times faster then normal man so Punisher being somewhere in the athlete to peak human level is no match for Spider-Man. Spider-Man could rip Franks spine from his back before Frank knew he was back there.
Its not PIS if he keeps doing it, that is a cop out. Most recently hes shown reflexes comparable to Dardevil and Batman. Punishers reflexes are way above normal. Hes also studied Spiderman as well, this often helps slower opponents to take down faster opponents.
Originally posted by Eternal IdolThis is one of those times when Castle defeated Spider-Man... by tricking him into a trap door with a prison cell underneath. If Spider-Man were bloodlusted, he could have webbed him up and beat Castle until he were just a stain on the ground. You could argue that Castle could have opened fire before that, but then I could just say Spider-Man could have killed Castle a few pages earlier instead of trying to follow him.
That's why I gave them the split. Either one is equally capable of killing the other in this scenario.
The problem we have with that argument is that Punisher knew that Spiderman was following him, so even if he had jumped the Punisher he would have been attacking a Punisher that was prepared. Considering I can think of two more examples of Pun beating Spiderman while Spiderman was trying to web him up its still in Puns favour.
Originally posted by golem370
Is they're anything showing how he became that fast? Punisher was suppose to be a normal with incredible will power and vengence. He has never been considered no-wear near Superhuman. Peak human agility and reflexes should be no match to Spider-Man.
It depends on whos writing him. If you look at Ostrander Punisher 95-96 we see him dodging laser fire from close range.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The problem we have with that argument is that Punisher knew that Spiderman was following him, so even if he had jumped the Punisher he would have been attacking a Punisher that was prepared.Considering I can think of two more examples of Pun beating Spiderman while Spiderman was trying to web him up its still in Puns favour.
Or Spider-Man could've just webbed him up. Just because Castle was aware Spider-Man was following doesn't mean he'd be automatically prepared, aiming and ready to fire the moment Spider-Man attacks.
Can you post the other fights you're talking about?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Or Spider-Man could've just webbed him up. Just because Castle was aware Spider-Man was following doesn't mean he'd be automatically prepared, aiming and ready to fire the moment Spider-Man attacks.
Looking at his track record he probably would. The fact that he knew certainly doesnt hurt my argument.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Can you post the other fights you're talking about?
Heres a couple bear in mind in the first fight hes fighting both Nightcrawler and Spiderman.
If you look at both circumstance if Spiderman was bloodlusted he would have still lost.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Punisher vs SpidermanPunisher humiliates Spiderman AND Nightcrawler 😐
Punisher shoots Spiderman
Originally posted by golem370
But unless Frank has been seen with a upgrade in speed agility reflexes and strength to peak or better he is no match for Spider-Man. One punch would crush Franks head.
He doesnt need to be shown to have an upgrade different writers have different opinions.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again its not an upgrade its the writers opinion.
Very true- I like when Frank is written as near peak human-able to take on ten thugs unarmed, and beat the crap out of them. He needs no upgrade to do this, as he has often been shown at this this level.
I don't wish to sound like a broken record but Castle is a lot more than "a thug with a gun"-as Spiderman once called him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Looking at his track record he probably would. The fact that he knew certainly doesnt hurt my argument.Heres a couple bear in mind in the first fight hes fighting both Nightcrawler and Spiderman.
If you look at both circumstance if Spiderman was bloodlusted he would have still lost.
Those scans show that Castle is capable of handling himself in combat, sure. In both scans, Spider-Man and Nightcrawler were trying to apprehend him without really hurting him. I don't know what the hell kind of pose-offs their doing in the last scan. They don't suggested anything to show he'd do any better against a blood-lusted Spider-Man.
Punisher doesn't win any more than 5/10.
