Thor vs. Superman · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

He doesn't really need to. Ahbi himself is the Superman respect thread. If I had a nickel for every time he's brought up Superman feats in threads that had nothing remotely to do with Clark, I'd be rich... 😉

Anyways, he actually does well with updating the current one. You can add Rao to that also.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Abhil why don't you make a new Respect thread for Superman?

I'm working on it actually.

quanchi112 Disney

None of these feats are greater than Thor's best feats IMO. Same deal with any top tier hero. Thor is still more powerful and almost as strong. Throw in magical weakness and its a wrap.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

😂

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

They aren't. It's typical of elite top tiers. Thor beating Galactus with his power is amazing but it isn't his average. If people argue or debate based on highest only they ignore the bulk of the characters history. Prime example of what you're doing. You can't pick and choose what applies and what doesn't.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Its a h2h fight with no powers allowed.

joesha28 Asgard's Advocate

There a Major difference btw Kal-El and the Odinson. The Kryptonian was the last of his race in the beginining. It made him special his power was special, but now there are many Kryptonians. Zod.. Ursa, supergirl and many more... all of those when expose to earth yellow sun could be as powerful as superman. Like what Zod said in The War of the Supermen arc, Kal-El is not Superman among his People. He's just like them except more experience.

But Thor, an Asgardian but a Hybrid child of a skyfather anf elder god. He is different from his race and other thunder gods of other pantheon. That's what appealing to me. He can take on anyone on any arena. While 'Superman" can't.

Estacado Legendary

Superman lowballing is ridicolous in this thread.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by joesha28
There a Major difference btw Kal-El and the Odinson. The Kryptonian was the last of his race in the beginining. It made him special his power was special, but now there are many Kryptonians. Zod.. Ursa, supergirl and many more... all of those when expose to earth yellow sun could be as powerful as superman. Like what Zod said in The War of the Supermen arc, Kal-El is not Superman among his People. He's just like them except more experience.
But Thor, an Asgardian but a Hybrid child of a skyfather anf elder god. He is different from his race and other thunder gods of other pantheon. That's what appealing to me. He can take on anyone on any arena. While 'Superman" can't.

facepalm

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by joesha28
There a Major difference btw Kal-El and the Odinson. The Kryptonian was the last of his race in the beginining. It made him special his power was special, but now there are many Kryptonians. Zod.. Ursa, supergirl and many more... all of those when expose to earth yellow sun could be as powerful as superman. Like what Zod said in The War of the Supermen arc, Kal-El is not Superman among his People. He's just like them except more experience.
But Thor, an Asgardian but a Hybrid child of a skyfather anf elder god. He is different from his race and other thunder gods of other pantheon. That's what appealing to me. He can take on anyone on any arena. While 'Superman" can't.

In general he is similar to other Kryptonians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he's had the benefit of living under the earth's yellow sun for a longer period of time. He's also had more time to hone his powers by pushing his boundaries.

I would think his powers have evolved a bit more than other Kryptonians. If he was just like the rest, why is it he's always been more powerful than say Powergirl or Supergirl?

This idea is further supported by characters like Golden Supes and even in H'el in new 52. They're like perfect examples of evolved Kryptonians who have had time to hone and push their limits.

operator616 Senior Member

several scans aren't actually that impressive if we consider the context, but im not going to go into that because im too lazy to emphasize on these instances

im only going to emphasize on the major feat where superman survived the multiversal source wall.

first of all, superman was shielded right before the scan you posted:

http://i.imgur.com/or8diom.jpg

that's an important detail to leave don't you think? then the shield broke due to the energy released from breaking the source wall (shown in your scan)

we should also consider that the source in that arc was utterly unimpressive, seeing how 3 featless skyfathers not only broke through the wall but defeated the source itself:

http://i.imgur.com/a9cTNMj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fN2pBMA.jpg

not to mention that death of the new gods was ignored in final crisis so it's non canon.

meh, not interested in emphasizing on the other ones.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its a h2h fight with no powers allowed.

Thor wins though its closer. Greater skill.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by joesha28
There a Major difference btw Kal-El and the Odinson. The Kryptonian was the last of his race in the beginining. It made him special his power was special, but now there are many Kryptonians. Zod.. Ursa, supergirl and many more... all of those when expose to earth yellow sun could be as powerful as superman. Like what Zod said in The War of the Supermen arc, Kal-El is not Superman among his People. He's just like them except more experience.
But Thor, an Asgardian but a Hybrid child of a skyfather anf elder god. He is different from his race and other thunder gods of other pantheon. That's what appealing to me. He can take on anyone on any arena. While 'Superman" can't.

👆

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Now some strength showings.

Pulls Earth with a harness made by hal.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/JLAv4029f.jpg

Moves Earth+Moon+a huge ship from another solar system via hyperspace

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0044.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0045.jpg

Pulls himself out of the source wall which absorbs a planet across lightyears to the hole superman made

Superman holds a solar system destroyer black hole in his hand

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla077e.jpg

While weakened moves earth with the help of J'onn and diana

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla075a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/jla075b.jpg

Stops moon from spiraling out of orbit for hours opposing a machine which had the power output of a sun

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15249004/26.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248994/80PageGiant01a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248995/80PageGiant01b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248996/80PageGiant01c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248998/80PageGiant01d.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15248999/80PageGiant01e.jpg.html

Survives more than a planet's gravity

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/adventuresof618d.jpg

Pushes a growing star system out of orbit

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Trinity02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Trinity02b.jpg

These are condensed planets.

Also the mother of all lifting feats, the infinite book.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01m.jpg

Pushes a baby planet out of orbit

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/supermanbatmanannual02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/supermanbatmanannual02b.jpg

Pushes himself up in a black hole's gravity

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/superman665b.jpg

This was a young superman to boot.

Stops a 70 miles long spaceship travelling fast enough to destroy a planet

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01d.jpg

Moves the endless millwheels of maggedon

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/JLA40-20.jpg

Throws a ship the size of a small moon to another solar system

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/moonmover.jpg

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by operator616
several scans aren't actually that impressive if we consider the context, but im not going to go into that because im too lazy to emphasize on these instances
im only going to emphasize on the major feat where superman survived the multiversal source wall.
first of all, superman was shielded right before the scan you posted:
http://i.imgur.com/or8diom.jpg
that's an important detail to leave don't you think? then the shield broke due to the energy released from breaking the source wall (shown in your scan)
we should also consider that the source in that arc was utterly unimpressive, seeing how 3 featless skyfathers not only broke through the wall but defeated the source itself:
http://i.imgur.com/a9cTNMj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fN2pBMA.jpg
not to mention that death of the new gods was ignored in final crisis so it's non canon.
meh, not interested in emphasizing on the other ones.

Metron directly stated that the source wasn't protecting superman. The shield broke and superman endured the attack by himself.

Source=/=Source wall. Why are they featless when the defeated the creator of creation itself?

Also DONG and countdown are both canon to final crisis with Morrison's retcon that all those stories involved shadows of new gods.

Go ahead and point out all the context you want. I left nothing out.

quanchi112 Disney

Lifting a book with someone else is a shared unquantifiable feat. I'm sure there is a lot of other context your leaving out as well.

operator616 Senior Member

the source wasn't protect protecting him, never disagreed with you here, he was however shielded from this instant and on:

http://i.imgur.com/32ukoHu.jpg

i know the source isn't the source wall but when the wall destroyed whose energies were released? it was the source's energy or in this case the anti life entity's energy which is only a half of the source whom 3 skyfathers defeated completely.

it wasn't retconned it was ignored, that much was obvious

not really interested in pointing out your mistakes nor am i even taking pleasure in it seeing how you are actually putting effort in it and i after all i should give you some credit, but just to point out one example is when you said superman was surviving blasts from the void hound which can destroy stars, which is true, i even recall it being able to destroy 10 solar systems or something like that but the truth is that it wasn't using these same blasts on superman unless you believe that wonder woman can block the star destorying blasts with here bracelets right after your last scan?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by operator616
the source wasn't protect protecting him, never disagreed with you here, he was however shielded from this instant and on:
http://i.imgur.com/32ukoHu.jpg
i know the source isn't the source wall but when the wall destroyed whose energies were released? it was the source's energy or in this case the anti life entity's energy which is only a half of the source whom 3 skyfathers defeated completely.
it wasn't retconned it was ignored, that much was obvious
not really interested in pointing out your mistakes nor am i even taking pleasure in it seeing how you are actually putting effort in it and i after all i should give you some credit, but just to point out one example is when you said superman was surviving blasts from the void hound which can destroy stars, which is true, i even recall it being able to destroy 10 solar systems or something like that but the truth is that it wasn't using these same blasts on superman unless you believe that wonder woman can block the star destorying blasts with here bracelets right after your last scan?

So what is the problem here?

Source's energy which created the multiversal source wall.

No, it wasn't ignored.

Wonder woman has blocked the entire greek pantheon's power and beings like nekron and quantum zealots powers. I wouldn't lash an eyebeat if she blocked a solar system level blast. Also why weren't they using the same attacks? You are using a negative to prove a negative. Stop.