Originally posted by dadudemonYeah they can limit the use of written language.
lulzIt's frivolous suites that could come of those, that I despise...But then again, people deserve to keep their TM as their own.
Edit -Misspelled "Frivolous." Teehee
But Ali kinda was at least the greatest.
Whitney Houston even wrote the "greatest love of all" about him and his self belief as the greatest, apparently.
Do you have factual proof he was trying to have sexual intercourse with the kids? No? Then stop claiming it. You have the burden of proof here, and if you cannot back it up, don't claim it.
Sexual abuse doesn't have to involve intercourse or even the desire for intercourse.
As for proof. It can be argued that having children in his bed and giving them alcohol (as several witnesses have said) is the grooming pattern of a sexual predator.
Many kids have even testified that nothing happened
True...But only to them. Not pertaining to those who allege abuse.
It's me being rather creeped out at the fact that rather than accept that all available evidence points to the fact that at worst, you could label his lifestyle odd, people choose to belief there's this mythical evidence out there that'll prove him to be a paedo.
Well lets look at documented paedophile behaviour and see how much of it is applicable to MJ
Befriending the family, parent or parents. (He claims to have been good friends with the abuse alleger's parents.)
Offer to take child out on treats e.g. the cinema, zoo, funfair, swimming, play football etc. (Doesn't really need to offer given that he has a funfair in the Ranch)
Paedophiles often very willing to engage in child activities that parents are less willing to such as play computer games for hours on end, buy them gifts e.g. mobile phone (Stated that one of his favourite pass times was climbing trees. As you stated yourself, bought the children lots of gifts)
When looking after the child allow them to drink and eat forbidden food, allow them to swear, watch programmes and films they are normally not allowed to watch, play fight, stay up late (supposedly gave them alcohol and allowed them to watch pornography)
The paedophile will show the child affection, giving them hugs and cuddles (As shown by many pieces of footage of him with children)
It's easy to see why people are implying that his behaviour is more than just odd or eccentric. It matches known sexual predator behaviour
Coooos they had nothing.
So the lack of evidence automatically means it didn't happen?
An example of the fallacy of this is that if Hitler were to be tried for the mass extermination of the Jews in WW2 then, on the basis of solid evidence, he would be found not guilty because not a single document exists that he has signed authorised the extermination of the Jews...
An extreme analogy? No doubt...But it emphasises my point that proof doesn't mean it didn't happen. Couple it with my point that sexual abuse is extremely difficult to physically prove and that it often relies on testimony.
Look at Matthew Kelly and Pete Townshend; both accused, both found entirely innocent (I believe, though there were technicalities in the latter's case). They're still riddled with stigma, though.
In Pete Townsend's case he was accused of and did look at child pornography. He got off with it by arguing that it was research for a book (which to my knowledge he never wrote or was at least never published) and by not clicking on thumbnail pictures....But he did look at them.
Apparently the Doctor was up to something!
I'm always amazed at how people who are fans of a celebrity, be it sports, music or movies, are willing to be so lenient, just on the grounds that the person entertained them in some manner. Really a bizarre phenomenon.
I know it's been said countless times, but if some average Joe had consistently slept(sharing a bed) with young boys, had given them alcohol and one (or more?) of those boys knew intimate details about 'Joe's' private area and then was accused of some sort of pedo-act, be it touching, nude exposure or outright sexual intercourse, they would think the worst.
It's really very odd, this phenominom of letting celebrities get free-passes.
So it's impossible for a person found innocent in court to actually be guilty, or at least be it more likely that he/she was guilty, considering the actions that person undertook and evidence brought forward?
Granted, I don't know if MJ is guilty of all he was accused, but the repeated contact with young boys, sleeping in the same bed with them, the accusation of giving them alcohol, the accusation of one child knowing intimate details of his genitalia etc, all point that something happening, maybe he just exposed himself to the kid(s), maybe he just rubbed up against them while clothed and/or maybe it was just kisses, but his actions do point to some manner of mischief and not "he didn't do anything inappropriate."
Personnally, I do believe something innapropiate went on between him and one or more of the boys, I couldn't say exactly what it was though.
Originally posted by Robtard
So it's impossible for a person found innocent in court to actually be guilty, or at least be it more likely that he/she was guilty, considering the actions that person undertook and evidence brought forward?Granted, I don't know if MJ is guilty of all he was accused, but the repeated contact with young boys, sleeping in the same bed with them, the accusation of giving them alcohol, the accusation of one child knowing intimate details of his genitalia etc, all point that something happening, maybe he just exposed himself to the kid(s), maybe he just rubbed up against them while clothed and/or maybe it was just kisses, but his actions do point to some manner of mischief and not "he didn't do anything inappropriate."
Personnally, I do believe something innapropiate went on between him and one or more of the boys, I couldn't say exactly what it was though.
I guess you didn't see the Dave Chapelle episode where Dave also describes MJ, intimately. It is da TROOF!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wouldn't unless it was confirmed.Kinda stated that before hand.
-AC
Yet others know that if the sandwich SMELLS like its full of shit, LOOKS like its full of shit, has definitely had some flies buzzing around it, its best not to bite down on that bad boy.
Especially when misguidedly proclaiming it DEFINITELY not to be shit.
Also....Jackson himself wasnt confirmed to be dead initially. Only that he stopped breathing....yet dead he is.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yet others know that if the sandwich SMELLS like its full of shit, LOOKS like its full of shit, has definitely had some flies buzzing around it, its best not to bite down on that bad boy.Especially when proclaiming it DEFINITELY not to be shit.
This is were the 'celebrity phenomenon' kicks in, it counters people's ability to think rationally.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not at all.I just don't see enough evidence to suggest malicious paedophilia, intended paedophilia or paedophilia at all.
-AC
So it's normal for a grown man to want to sleep in the same bed with young boys that are not his children?
This is the one thing MJ admitted too, the sharing of a bed.
Also, how did the kid(forget his name) know about his penile and scrotal markings; what is your rationalization on that?
Originally posted by Robtard
Can't say I did.
I'll post that vid later.
Wait, didn't Ush. tell us to post about this subject somwhere else?
I'll post the vid in here after I get home. It's great. Had me laughin'.
Originally posted by Robtard
So it's normal for a grown man to want to sleep in the same bed with young boys that are not his children?This is the one thing MJ admitted too, the sharing of a bed.
I don't think it's normal for even a father to want to sleep in the same bed as his 8-year-old children.
Sure, my son has a nightmare everynow and then and I let him come into my bed for a few minutes until he's calm. But that's it. No kids in my bed...I wanna sleep. 😠
Originally posted by Robtardscrotal markings?
So it's normal for a grown man to want to sleep in the same bed with young boys that are not his children?This is the one thing MJ admitted too, the sharing of a bed.
Also, how did the kid(forget his name) know about his penile and scrotal markings; what is your rationalization on that?
Originally posted by Robtard
So it's normal for a grown man to want to sleep in the same bed with young boys that are not his children?This is the one thing MJ admitted too, the sharing of a bed.
Also, how did the kid(forget his name) know about his penile and scrotal markings; what is your rationalization on that?
What did the kid know about his genitals?