Originally posted by Robtard
So it's normal for a grown man to want to sleep in the same bed with young boys that are not his children?This is the one thing MJ admitted too, the sharing of a bed.
Also, how did the kid(forget his name) know about his penile and scrotal markings; what is your rationalization on that?
Normal doesn't mean paedophilia, stop making the leap. Some would say The Beatles weren't normal for doing drugs. "But drugs aren't kids.", so? If Jackson didn't harm them, then he obviously isn't any more deserving of harrassment than drug users like The Beatles.
As for the penile markings, him having seen them doesn't mean Jackson ****ed the kid, nor that he abused him.
It's possible they had enough of a trusted relationship that they did things like that.
Sounds outlandish, but I know neighbours who have allowed their kids to bath with trusted, non-family adults before, to no ill effect.
You never know.
-AC
Originally posted by BackFire
No, I don't really remember much about the original case, I was too young to really remember.
Reading up on it, it was a 25 minute strip search at his ranch; not in jail.
It concluded that there "were some strong similarities between Chandler's description and Jackson's body, but there wasn't a definite match."
So, like I said, I don't know if he did anything specific, but it adds up to some likely mischief happening between him and the boy.
Edit: Here's the wiki on it, it cites the body search and MJ speaking out a couple of days after.
AC:
Do drugs: Affects yourself.
Paedophilia: Affects others.
And how does MJ's just-come-to-light reliance-on-drugs factor here, or at least drugs being a reported possible factor in his death, being that doing drugs is equal to paedophilia in your book?
Also yeah if a 40 year old dude flashed the kid, its just more ammo for the 'MJs guilty' school of thought..
RE: Bathtimes with strangers: you are right....you never know.....and thats why you don't take the chance.
The faith that you would have to have in that stranger would have to be SOME faith to make the assertion that you "would never know."
Cause from where common sense is sitting, its odds on that it aint kosher.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Normal doesn't mean paedophilia, stop making the leap. Some would say The Beatles weren't normal for doing drugs. "But drugs aren't kids.", so? If Jackson didn't harm them, then he obviously isn't any more deserving of harrassment than drug users like The Beatles.As for the penile markings, him having seen them doesn't mean Jackson ****ed the kid, nor that he abused him.
It's possible they had enough of a trusted relationship that they did things like that.
Sounds outlandish, but I know neighbours who have allowed their kids to bath with trusted, non-family adults before, to no ill effect.
You never know.
-AC
I agree there, it isn't definitive, but it's possible.
Or, ran around naked together? Took a piss together? Rolled around naked in bed together? Gave each other massages while naked? While it's not ****ing children, a grown man shouldn't do those things with someone else's [underage] child, as it's clearly inappropriate behavior.
Also of note, I don't think the mother/father ever gave permission for MJ to bath with their 13 year old son, so even if it was just that(bathing), it's clearly innapropiate and if some average Joe did it, he'd be looked down upon as a possible pederast grooming his target.
astonishing how All these wittnessesses can't put 2 seconds of tape between them Surely inbetween stealing their employers household items any member of his staff could have left a cassette recorder running in a mop bucket or ia vase [perfect for a small recording device] Jackson had ****ing vast quantities of them.
As for retrieving the recording device given that they had access to his premises for cleaning security, repairs and maintenence etc and were stealing his stuff anyway it wouldn't require any great additional effort.
But Nothing.
Not a shred of evidence
Hell the Networks would have paid A lot of zeros for a scoop.
Rather than a lot of unsavory characters who apparently saw child abuse in progress and backed away discreetly so as not to disrupt the child abuse
I have yet to hear an eyewittness saying I saw xyz and dropped the tray of beer I was serving to the kids and said Jaxxon! No! WTF etc and moved to pull them apart
And then I called 911 and the cops came and I gave my statement
But these characters "see" child abuse and give it the green light and like don't talk about it for days.. weeks.. months... to anyone?
Thats B.S.
Golddiggers
There are cases of child abuse going on for years while people knew about it and didn't say a word, for varies reasons. MJ was also an extremely rich and arguably powerful man, something like 750 million is sales, that could make someone think twice about being the first to speak out. There's also the celebrity phenomenon, which makes people more likely to turn a blind eye.
I've previously said the case had many fishy aspects that point to MJ being railroaded; the kid knowing about MJ's cock is very suspect to MJ not being as innocent as he claimed.
Astonishing how All these witnesses can't put 2 seconds of tape between them.
Surely in-between stealing their employers household items any member of his staff could have left a cheap recorder running in a mop bucket or a vase [perfect for a small recording device] Michael Jackson had ****ing vast quantities of them.
As for retrieving the recording device given that they had access to his premises for cleaning, security, repairs and maintenance etc and were stealing his stuff to begin with this wouldn't require any great additional effort or thought process.
But Nothing.
Not a shred of evidence.
Hell the Networks would have paid A lot of dead presidents for a scoop.
Rather than a lot of unsavory characters who apparently saw child abuse in progress and backed away discreetly so as not to disrupt the child abuse
I have yet to hear an eyewitness saying "I saw xyz and dropped the tray of Budweiser and ice I was serving to the kids and said Jaxxon! No! WTF etc and moved to pull them apart."
"And then I called 911 and the cops came and I gave my statement."
But these characters "see" child abuse and give it the green light and literally don't talk about it for days.. weeks.. months... to anyone?
Thats B.S.
Gold diggers
Originally posted by Robtard
I've previously said the case had many fishy aspects that point to MJ being railroaded; the kid knowing about MJ's cock is very suspect to MJ not being as innocent as he claimed.
Knowing about someones cock is ridiculous Any child with a water pistol can pull back the shower curtain on an unsuspecting big brother friend or parent
And children snoop they like to play with their parents electric razors they like to see their parent's scars. Children never grow out of that. Even old guys still like to compare tattoo's and scars
The child could simply have opened Michael Jackson's desk and took out his medical file from when the skin accross his body changed The consultant would have made copies available to him [private clinic]
When I went to a government hospital I had to pay to take them home.
There is absolutely nothing Jackson could do in the event of
-A-
a kid snooping in his desk [I believe kids do this a lot sometimes they usually find things their parents would rather they didn't it can be quite funny]
-B-
A kid running into the bathroom pulling back the shower curtain going rambo with a toy water canon then swinging a u-turn.